Saturday, May 27, 2006

Quotas and increasing seats in educational institutions

Do you think that increasing seats in educational institutions is a solution to the quotas ?

frenchita said...
Yes I suppose. That seems to be a likely temporary solution to accommodate both quota and antiquota people .Hope it doesn't churn too many graduates out ,wasting effort and money of government , only to lose them to foreign lands

DecentmonKey said...
Yes, it is a sensible solution.. and Frenchita has a good point too. Cheers..

shahank said...
No, i donot think so. See there are 2 things, things that are right and thinga that are wrong. existence of a blind quota, is like pandering to the whims of a votebank. now , i am also of veiw that if we have substantiatied prove that so and so people, should be given space for so and so reasons, we have no problems. after all whats gotta be done is gotta be done, dude. But increasing general seats and quota seats, both of them, is temporary,its like putting a nipple in a baby's mouth without finding the cause for the crying.It,s an escape route.Its a solution and not a definitive step that should have been taken. Now if we work with conscience and think, quotas with current system of applications dont make sense.why because, they have quotas for women, every different state has different quotas, in some places like mp there is 69 percent quota!that is not justified. Solution is in amendment of the existing law,bill. a new system, strong but bold steps should be taken which are right. Iam not against reservations, but they should be sensible.and not hit u on the face.We work with poor people, i have been with patients who had only 14 rupees in their pocket, coming and going back fair.We as interns have raised money for patients for emergency operations, distributing sample medicines is a common pratice in every govt. hospitals by the residents. We are moving towards a culture where every body wants a change, with proper infrastructure, where in every body is looking at transparency, mainly influenced with the incoming of mnc,s. and thats exactly what our fight is for.We also want that order transparency in the system called "education".Be it class 1 in the village of morena, or Surgery in aiims. Every election, a new party comes and increases a different quota, this is ridiculous dude. Think about any guy on the street playing the part of Aamir khan in RDB on quota basis, thats exactly what putting quota's at specilization levels is akin to.taknig the credit from the guys who should be doing the stuff plus also missing on a marvelous performance.

potato said...
Yes, it can be. But unfortuantely, we don't have enough teachers for that. Very few of children today would tell you they want to be professors or teachers. If we can encourage more people to join into the teaching field, i think it is the best solution available. But today, when medical colleges have been caught for presenting drivers, peons and even canteen boys as professors to complete the MCI norms, it looks like a far fetched solution.

lavina said...
Yes, it may be a step towards solving the problem, but cannot be the only solution in any case. Other reformative steps to support this are required. More over instead of quotas for a few classes, we should have sponsorship for the economically backward.

rajesh (Kachra King) said...
whether it solves the purpouse of Quota or not .. increase in educational institutions and seats is equired looking at the growing population. But Instead first the primary schools and colleges should be increased to give basic education to everyone. That would answer the reservation issue. Its basically education that the backward classes dont get. So why fight over the advanced education. That should be puerly on merit.

blogesh said...
i dont think that is far sighted solution, instead a stop gap arrangement to reconcile the issue on temporary basis. a much more thought need to be given followed by action for true upliftment of the backwards.

tejbir said...
what is the real issue? reservation or politicians' vested interests thats dividing our indian society on frivolous grounds? aren't these reservations in various walks of life from professions, to parliament a subtle way to acknowledge existence of the wretched caste system in our society? even though our constitution asks us to abolish it!!! when will we treat our constitution as our Geeta, Granth Sahib, Bible, Quran????

Vrij said...
No way is that gonna help.. today OBC, tomm this minority, day after that minority.. this game is gonna continue. Instead, all primary n secondary education to backward classes should be made FREE, and better if special schools/jr colleges r opened for them. But when it comes to proff edu, NO RESERVATIONS watsoever... period.

sam said...
well i dont think its really feasible........ because more seats means more Graduates/P. Graduates.... thats means there will be more unemployment......... and more unemployment means more crime and more politicians....(anyways...criminals and politicians are 2 sides of same coin)...... well but I dont agree with Frenchita's comment bout losing Indians to foreign land..... coz before all this reservation stuff, US consulate is always busy with VISA processings... I dont think people go out of India b'coz of reservation thing..... they are going as they wanna go......there's no any other reason for that...... if anyone says that because of reservation he/she will go abroad so that will be just an excuse, nothing else.......

Ghalib Fan said...
Merit alone should be the criteria.....no quota system for me...... quota system is just a way to beat the system.....and is a tool in the hand of the corrupt.... i believe in one thing, "FIRST DESERVE THEN DESIRE" If u r not upto it.....then don't ask for it.....

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Anonymous said...

Hello Shrawan ..my weekly friend ..

Yes I suppose. That seems to be a likely temporary solution to accommodate both quota and antiquota people .Hope it doesn't churn too many graduates out ,wasting effort and money of government , only to lose them to foreign lands

Anonymous said...

Hi Shrawan,
Yes, it is a sensible solution.. and Frenchita has a good point too.
Cheers..

Anonymous said...

No, i donot think so. See there are 2 things, things that are right and thinga that are wrong. existence of a blind quota, is like pandering to the whims of a votebank. now , i am also of veiw that if we have substantiatied prove that so and so people, should be given space for so and so reasons, we have no problems. after all whats gotta be done is gotta be done, dude.
But increasing general seats and quota seats, both of them, is temporary,its like putting a nipple in a baby's mouth without finding the cause for the crying.It,s an escape route.Its a solution and not a definitive step that should have been taken.
Now if we work with conscience and think, quotas with current system of applications dont make sense.why because, they have quotas for women, every different state has different quotas, in some places like mp there is 69 percent quota!that is not justified.
Solution is in amendment of the existing law,bill. a new system, strong but bold steps should be taken which are right.
Iam not against reservations, but they should be sensible.and not hit u on the face.We work with poor people, i have been with patients who had only 14 rupees in their pocket, coming and going back fair.We as interns have raised money for patients for emergency operations, distributing sample medicines is a common pratice in every govt. hospitals by the residents.
We are moving towards a culture where every body wants a change, with proper infrastructure, where in every body is looking at transparency, mainly influenced with the incoming of mnc,s. and thats exactly what our fight is for.We also want that order transparency in the system called "education".Be it class 1 in the village of morena, or Surgery in aiims.
Every election, a new party comes and increases a different quota, this is ridiculous dude.
Think about any guy on the street playing the part of Aamir khan in RDB on quota basis, thats exactly what putting quota's at specilization levels is akin to.taknig the credit from the guys who should be doing the stuff plus also missing on a marvelous performance.

U know what even u (editor)should join in the revolution, raise a voice make a difference.

Sensibility and not dogmatism or stupidity should prevail.

id like to know veiws of as many people reading this comment,
u can leave them at, plus read the situation of primary education of our country at
www.o3.indiatimes.com/factsabouteducation
www.o3.indiatimes.com/quotaandmore
www.shanks-quotas.blogspot.com(photojournal from a revolution)

keep the fight on, keep the discussion on, keep the fire on, thats what we want.

Jai hind

shanks

www.o3

Anonymous said...

Yes, it can be. But unfortuantely, we don't have enough teachers for that. Very few of children today would tell you they want to be professors or teachers. If we can encourage more people to join into the teaching field, i think it is the best solution available. But today, when medical colleges have been caught for presenting drivers, peons and even canteen boys as professors to complete the MCI norms, it looks like a far fetched solution.

Anonymous said...

Hiee Shrawan
Yes, it may be a step towards solving the problem, but cannot be the only solution in any case. Other reformative steps to support this are required. More over instead of quotas for a few classes, we should have sponsorship for the economically backward.

Anonymous said...

whether it solves the purpouse of Quota or not .. increase in educational institutions and seats is equired looking at the growing population. But Instead first the primary schools and colleges should be increased to give basic education to everyone. That would answer the reservation issue. Its basically education that the backward classes dont get. So why fight over the advanced education. That should be puerly on merit.

Anonymous said...

i dont think that is far sighted solution, instead a stop gap arrangement to reconcile the issue on temporary basis. a much more thought need to be given followed by action for true upliftment of the backwards.

Anonymous said...

what is the real issue?
reservation or politicians' vested interests
thats dividing our indian society on frivolous grounds?
aren't these reservations in various walks of life
from professions, to parliament
a subtle way to acknowledge existence of
the wretched caste system in our society?
even though our constitution
asks us to abolish it!!!

when will we treat our constitution
as our Geeta, Granth Sahib, Bible, Quran????

Anonymous said...

No way is that gonna help.. today OBC, tomm this minority, day after that minority.. this game is gonna continue.

Instead, all primary n secondary education to backward classes should be made FREE, and better if special schools/jr colleges r opened for them.

But when it comes to proff edu, NO RESERVATIONS watsoever... period.

Anonymous said...

well i dont think its really feasible........
because more seats means more Graduates/P. Graduates....
thats means there will be more unemployment.........
and more unemployment means more crime and more politicians....(anyways...criminals and politicians are 2 sides of same coin)......

well but I dont agree with Frenchita's comment bout losing Indians to foreign land.....
coz before all this reservation stuff, US consulate is always busy with VISA processings...
I dont think people go out of India b'coz of reservation thing.....
they are going as they wanna go......there's no any other reason for that......
if anyone says that because of reservation he/she will go abroad so that will be just an excuse, nothing else.......

Anonymous said...

Merit alone should be the criteria.....no quota system for me......
quota system is just a way to beat the system.....and is a tool in the hand of the corrupt....
i believe in one thing,

"FIRST DESERVE THEN DESIRE"

If u r not upto it.....then don't ask for it.....

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Anonymous said...

initial practice in rural areas????mking them scapegoats? but jokes aside...i think it wd be good idea but doubt that people wont again circumvent it.