Can globalisation be a force for good or is it just a charade for big business to exploit poor countries?
Harshal said...
it can be good... like one big nuclear family...although no everyone likes big families..there can be many fights...
Busybee said...
Globalisation is a charade for big business to exploit poor countries or a largely consumer kind of a country. Then the developed countries protect their own markets by imposing anti dumping duties on other countries, or banning imports all together. So Globalisation should be followed on a case to case basis with countries which have mutual trading patterns. Duties should be rigged on the basis of countries and not evenly across the board for all the countries.
Frenchita said...
The biggest advantage of globalization is that even the smallest countries without any political clout can prosper by selling their product , mostly agricultural ...easy availability of a variety of products at a lesser cost autmomatically benefits the average consumer ..quality improves also ... ...on the contrary .take protectionism as it is practised in Japan which limits the trade on farm products , rice etc from other countries resulting in high cost of living for the Japanese consumer eg a melon which costs $ 1.50 in the US costs $10 in Japan .
mojindro said...
globalization...nice word to hear that our our world is being contracted to a single globe.... but its the outlook only...today also we have so many things divided .... but any way the word globalization will soon gain its full meaning....
shanks said...
look i dunno much, but everything is both good and bad.... the way i perceive it.... it makes the economy grows quicker,,,,,,but takes the creativity out of the people of our country.......u know...we have now ready made things at hand, which very well could ve been indian goods, that is if we wanted..... but guess now that people are earning good, they want everything too fast and thats why globilazation maybe works out well.....
DecentmonKey said...
Globalisation has its advantages as well as disadvantages.. overall, it is good for all the countries..
Friday, July 28, 2006
Saturday, July 22, 2006
Solution to terrorism
What is the best solution to defeat terrorism?
raj said...
the best way to kill terrorism is to to zero tolrent worldwide. our loss is not as great as usa loss. 9/11 and 7/11 are seen diffrently.so we have to rebellios, go into the training zone and attack, same as usa did. best form of defence is attack. world has to accept our geograpic compulsions of being next to pakistan.
Harshal said...
hmm... best way to defear terrorism? no clue.. might as well bomb them... well..they started it. Hunt em down..and don't put em in prison,giving them time to plan thier next operation... hunt em and shoot em on sight..in the head.. nice way to end terrorism..however..do be 100% sure that the guy you shoot is a terrorist
Busybee said...
The best way to defeat terrorism is to kill them all. Now this is a very simple solution, but may be we can first try and find out if they they have any worthy cause or reasons for doing this, because for now terrorism is associated with whatever Pakistan is sponsoring, where as the truth is Naxal's are wreacking as much havoc, then we had so many other terror outfits like the BODO militants, ULFA and so on... Increased intelligence and vigilance by citizens would go a long way in combating terrorism too, and preventing events like 7/11.
shanks said...
Over a billion people in our country... different thoughts different perspectives....by killing a terrorist , well give birth to 2 others....fear of 'us' will 5/10 terrorist but not the remainig 5 , they will come and blast our population anyway, and when their heroic deeds will be sung , 5 other fearless will come forward and join the adventure.... .. i feel information ( read.... education, exciting one's conscience), is the key. the method is a long term but might be affective. Look faulty goverment policies are a ppart of root of any form of terrorism world wide. look at usa, first they fuelled afganistan against russia, and now they are fighting them.... so honest policies,,,with education and love with the right amount of "whiping from our side might help lower the incidences,,,,, remember our conscience has to be clean and honest before we set out , to take on others....
masoomrocky said...
The best way to eradicate terrorism is to form an advanced intelligence bureau... It should be in the the agenda of UN. all the countires should help each other in eradicating terrorism. There should be no nuclear deals with Countries like Pakistan,afghanistan and gulf countries. Usa is supporting pakistan by providing ammunition. All the coastlines should be under vigilance and people from pakistan,bangladesh and other gulf countries should not be granted VISA. Even countires like USA,london, and spain hve been the targets of bomb blasts..so It is unfair to say that It always happens in India.... It is really unfortunate that we are always wasy targets and we just cant do anything to stop terrorist attacks
DecentmonKey said...
"ZERO TOLERANCE" Not just in words, but in action too.. and toughest action, ie.
rajesh (Kachra King) said...
to give orders to all the citizens and police and military to shoot them at sight .. no more hearings and intorogations
Gul said...
"Hamaare vichaar se Duniya mein jitne bhi Aatankvaadi Organisations hai Unko Samul nashat kerna, bina kisi bhi sunvaai ke."Eske liye vishwa ke saare Deshon ko Ekjut hokar es Dishaa mein aapsi vichaar-vimersh kar sahi kadam Uthana hi eska sahi Upaay hai
blogesh said...
* strong political will * grit & determination to combat the terrorism * fast track courts 3 to 6 months * cut them to pieces. jo jail * no community appeasement
Vani said...
Shoot at sight...........
Saturday, July 15, 2006
Rural posting for Doctors
If government makes a national policy that would require medical graduates throughout
the country to serve a five years compulsory rural posting as an eligibility condition to acquire
a licence to practise , do you think that it will be effective ?
Ashiya said...
Very good thought..... but if u ask me if this is possible..... nope
blogesh said...
Good thought, but doubtful about that since same question will be raised for other professions too
tejbir said...
i think anything forcefully done will not be fruitful rather than forcing/making compulsory some incentives should be give to work in rural areas like banks can be asked to give loans at lower rates of interest to fund doctors who set up clinics/hospitals in rural areas (and banks be allowed to take such funding as priority lending and claim benefits) or publicly recognising doctors/nurses who give selfless service in rural areas how about decorating them with awards like bharat bhushans and vibhushans children of such doctors/nurses should be given scholarships such doctors/nurses should be given rebates on taxes etc etc but no compulsion under duress, i may do but i may not perform
DecentmonKey said...
it will not be effective.. the better way will be to provide more salary, facilities and incentives, imo.. tc..
frenchita said...
I see that Indians dont like anything forced on them . But friends, that is precisely how a nation can get its citizens to help the country . What is wrong with compulsory " anything " ? Compulsory army training over 18years is a good idea ,so is compulsory vasectomy to curb population .Compulsory rural medical practice is wonderful ..perhaps not for 5 years , but one or two . During my internship ( that is following medical school and before issuance of license ) , I was stationed at a rural clinic around Mumbai area for 3 months . This same line of thought can be followed , perhaps severe rural areas chosen around each state .. a stipend paid ..and then only the license given . I can already see a long list of students wriggling their way out of the ordinance , by bribing or using influence .. this won't do ...strict enforcement necessary .
Rajesh said...
tell u what .. u enforce this law .. ppl wud find some loope holes to escape out of it ... whether enforce of not .. I am sure once a docter ppl wud love to earn more money and make use of the profession in a economically benificial way ... on the contrary some ppl do dedicate their lives for practice in their home town or in small villages .. and do selfless service .. such ppl are treated as fools by society ... so whatz the point here??? whether enforced or not .. thatz the way things are going to be for next 100 yrs ... next question
Busybee said...
Good idea but not for five years, it should be for two years. But docs with specializations cannot be easily made to go to rural postings, as they would be under utilised. Maybe for such cases, there should be a posting in govt hospitals.
wise donkey said...
Its ridiculous. And why just doctors, would people from other professions volunteer to work in rural India for 5 years! You have to pay a lot to become a doctor, and while it will be easy for the rich, it will make it tougher for the poor doctor to earn and pay back the loans. The problem with rural healthcare isnt just the lack of doctors, but the lack of basic infrastructure. Of course, incentives can be given for voluntary shifting to rural areas. 63% of injections in India is unsafe, lets start with changing atleast that..
Gul said...
Haan hona to yasa hi chaahiye...aur ye sahi bhi hai,but yesa hota kaha hai? Jab ki esse anivaarya kar dena chaahiye. Ek kaanun ke tahat. Saharon mein kai Hospitals hote hai but gaon mein dur-daraaj mein matra ek chotasa Hospital.Jaha koi doctor aana nahi chaahtaa.Gar koi hai bhi to... kya haal hai vaha ke... ye sab jaate hai. Doctor ka pesha ek sanmaaneey pesha hai .jise sabhi bade aadar aur sanmaan se dekhate hai.But is Ihasaas ka abhav Doctors mein dekha gayaa hai. Jo pataa nahi kyu Gaon mein nahi jaana chaahte hai.Hamaare bharat mein Gaon mein doctors ki jyaada jarurat hai. Hum es niyam ke paksha mein hai ki bahut hi kadai se eska paalan hona chahiye.Aur ese ek anivaryataa ke rup mein laagu kerna hi hitkar hoga.
Sumit said...
Any such decision if tried to implement as a compulsion will not be fruitful... and then why only doctors... is the IT revolution only for metros???
the country to serve a five years compulsory rural posting as an eligibility condition to acquire
a licence to practise , do you think that it will be effective ?
Ashiya said...
Very good thought..... but if u ask me if this is possible..... nope
blogesh said...
Good thought, but doubtful about that since same question will be raised for other professions too
tejbir said...
i think anything forcefully done will not be fruitful rather than forcing/making compulsory some incentives should be give to work in rural areas like banks can be asked to give loans at lower rates of interest to fund doctors who set up clinics/hospitals in rural areas (and banks be allowed to take such funding as priority lending and claim benefits) or publicly recognising doctors/nurses who give selfless service in rural areas how about decorating them with awards like bharat bhushans and vibhushans children of such doctors/nurses should be given scholarships such doctors/nurses should be given rebates on taxes etc etc but no compulsion under duress, i may do but i may not perform
DecentmonKey said...
it will not be effective.. the better way will be to provide more salary, facilities and incentives, imo.. tc..
frenchita said...
I see that Indians dont like anything forced on them . But friends, that is precisely how a nation can get its citizens to help the country . What is wrong with compulsory " anything " ? Compulsory army training over 18years is a good idea ,so is compulsory vasectomy to curb population .Compulsory rural medical practice is wonderful ..perhaps not for 5 years , but one or two . During my internship ( that is following medical school and before issuance of license ) , I was stationed at a rural clinic around Mumbai area for 3 months . This same line of thought can be followed , perhaps severe rural areas chosen around each state .. a stipend paid ..and then only the license given . I can already see a long list of students wriggling their way out of the ordinance , by bribing or using influence .. this won't do ...strict enforcement necessary .
Rajesh said...
tell u what .. u enforce this law .. ppl wud find some loope holes to escape out of it ... whether enforce of not .. I am sure once a docter ppl wud love to earn more money and make use of the profession in a economically benificial way ... on the contrary some ppl do dedicate their lives for practice in their home town or in small villages .. and do selfless service .. such ppl are treated as fools by society ... so whatz the point here??? whether enforced or not .. thatz the way things are going to be for next 100 yrs ... next question
Busybee said...
Good idea but not for five years, it should be for two years. But docs with specializations cannot be easily made to go to rural postings, as they would be under utilised. Maybe for such cases, there should be a posting in govt hospitals.
wise donkey said...
Its ridiculous. And why just doctors, would people from other professions volunteer to work in rural India for 5 years! You have to pay a lot to become a doctor, and while it will be easy for the rich, it will make it tougher for the poor doctor to earn and pay back the loans. The problem with rural healthcare isnt just the lack of doctors, but the lack of basic infrastructure. Of course, incentives can be given for voluntary shifting to rural areas. 63% of injections in India is unsafe, lets start with changing atleast that..
Gul said...
Haan hona to yasa hi chaahiye...aur ye sahi bhi hai,but yesa hota kaha hai? Jab ki esse anivaarya kar dena chaahiye. Ek kaanun ke tahat. Saharon mein kai Hospitals hote hai but gaon mein dur-daraaj mein matra ek chotasa Hospital.Jaha koi doctor aana nahi chaahtaa.Gar koi hai bhi to... kya haal hai vaha ke... ye sab jaate hai. Doctor ka pesha ek sanmaaneey pesha hai .jise sabhi bade aadar aur sanmaan se dekhate hai.But is Ihasaas ka abhav Doctors mein dekha gayaa hai. Jo pataa nahi kyu Gaon mein nahi jaana chaahte hai.Hamaare bharat mein Gaon mein doctors ki jyaada jarurat hai. Hum es niyam ke paksha mein hai ki bahut hi kadai se eska paalan hona chahiye.Aur ese ek anivaryataa ke rup mein laagu kerna hi hitkar hoga.
Sumit said...
Any such decision if tried to implement as a compulsion will not be fruitful... and then why only doctors... is the IT revolution only for metros???
Saturday, July 01, 2006
Population problem and Law
Population is one of the main problems for the devlopment of our country.
If government makes any law in this regard irrespective of caste and community,
do you think that it will be helpful?
lavina said...
the government should wake up to this. What about special incentives, tax benefits and all to those with only 1-2 children???
wise donkey said...
when the maid has 6 kids its a population problem, when a socialite like Shobha & Dilip De has six, its their private affair But instead of laws, let it tackle the health issues. The sterlization camps where more than 100s are operated when the government norm is not more than 20 or the bicycle pumps used for putting air into the women's abdomen before laparoscopic operations or the lack of sterlization in all surgical equipments, would be a start.. http://www.indiatogether.org/2004/jun/hlt-poplctrl.htm Every 5 minutes a woman dies from giving birth in our country. And Bangladesh and Sri Lanka have better rates than us! Thats our healthcare today. Population is people, people arent the problem, its the attitudes that are the problem.. The rich with even a car pollute the environment, and when people dont have water to wash themselves, there is alwas plenty of water in pools and to wash the cars. The problems of the earth, like global warming wasnt created by the huge population, but by the rich who think they can do whatever they want as long as they can pay for it.. Some common people have more than one kid 1.If its a girl, they think i would need a boy to take care.Introduce Social Security system. 2.Almost One in EVERY THREE babies in the world, who die before they are four weeks old is in India. For a parent whoose earlier child has died, it makes sense to have more kids and hope atleast some of them survive. 3.Lack of awareness of contraceptive, Sex education means taking care of your body. If sex education is tough word, then change it to body education and educate..thats tough when 50% of Indians dont go to even primary school 4,Women DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO TO SEX, OR INSIST ON CONTRACEPTION. Marital Rape is stil not a crime in our country (though we agreed to make it a crime more than a decade back). Make Marital Rape a crime 5.The stupidity of the 1 child incentives lies in the fact that men can have many children and not let the world know about it, unlike women and women have to pay the penalty for not abandoning their child or killing hte child before its birth.. 6.Its medically less complicated for the men to have their tubes tied than for the women to get their uterus removed. But how many men would do think of that..Perhaps the question should have been, Is Vasectomy Cool..
Busybee said...
Yes, such a law would be helpful. we should do what China did...i.e. all govt benefits to be withdrawn for the third child onwards. But then what would happen if the ppl are very poor and still have more than 2 kids ? How will these ppl cope for say medical benefits & the food from PDS/ration etc ?
lostpatrol53 said...
Please read my post titled 'are we a human bomb ready to explode?" for my views.
simi said...
its neither poor ppl nor uneducated ones who go for more than 2 children...its mostly unwanted pregnancies and illegal children who r forced into this world... now a days..which couple wants more than 2....leave some exceptions. Even the poor ppl realises the responsibilities and the expenditure involves and thinks for lesser children. so i think...everyone shud be taught about sex and conception.
tejbir said...
population is indeed the main culprit of all problems of our nation but the method suggested to counter it that is by legislation, is not foolproof and not long lasting check it, strict rules have only encouraged rule-breaking rather, education about ill effects of excess children if seeped well into the minds of indians, esp rural indians will help long term
frenchita said...
population control should be even across the board .no compromises ...pretty much like the Chinese are doing .. will solve so many problems ..hope Government gives it number one priority ...definitely laws should be made irrespective of community and social status and enforced too ..
Max said...
the minorties will be crying foul if such a law is even contemplated :D:D:D
Harshal(dragon king) said...
contraceptive awareness...simple..you know those nice posters of people in their underwear and pictures of B grade movies everywhere..remove that..put a nice poster of a condom and its uses... but hey..as russel peters said, india and china are the most populated countries in the world..and we will be responsible for eradicating racism and color ..no white people...no black people..everyone will be beige...coz face it..india..second largest population in the world..sooner or later..we gonna hump ya...
Rajesh (Kachra King) said...
execute all the criminals ... the populations would automatically reduce
If government makes any law in this regard irrespective of caste and community,
do you think that it will be helpful?
lavina said...
the government should wake up to this. What about special incentives, tax benefits and all to those with only 1-2 children???
wise donkey said...
when the maid has 6 kids its a population problem, when a socialite like Shobha & Dilip De has six, its their private affair But instead of laws, let it tackle the health issues. The sterlization camps where more than 100s are operated when the government norm is not more than 20 or the bicycle pumps used for putting air into the women's abdomen before laparoscopic operations or the lack of sterlization in all surgical equipments, would be a start.. http://www.indiatogether.org/2004/jun/hlt-poplctrl.htm Every 5 minutes a woman dies from giving birth in our country. And Bangladesh and Sri Lanka have better rates than us! Thats our healthcare today. Population is people, people arent the problem, its the attitudes that are the problem.. The rich with even a car pollute the environment, and when people dont have water to wash themselves, there is alwas plenty of water in pools and to wash the cars. The problems of the earth, like global warming wasnt created by the huge population, but by the rich who think they can do whatever they want as long as they can pay for it.. Some common people have more than one kid 1.If its a girl, they think i would need a boy to take care.Introduce Social Security system. 2.Almost One in EVERY THREE babies in the world, who die before they are four weeks old is in India. For a parent whoose earlier child has died, it makes sense to have more kids and hope atleast some of them survive. 3.Lack of awareness of contraceptive, Sex education means taking care of your body. If sex education is tough word, then change it to body education and educate..thats tough when 50% of Indians dont go to even primary school 4,Women DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO TO SEX, OR INSIST ON CONTRACEPTION. Marital Rape is stil not a crime in our country (though we agreed to make it a crime more than a decade back). Make Marital Rape a crime 5.The stupidity of the 1 child incentives lies in the fact that men can have many children and not let the world know about it, unlike women and women have to pay the penalty for not abandoning their child or killing hte child before its birth.. 6.Its medically less complicated for the men to have their tubes tied than for the women to get their uterus removed. But how many men would do think of that..Perhaps the question should have been, Is Vasectomy Cool..
Busybee said...
Yes, such a law would be helpful. we should do what China did...i.e. all govt benefits to be withdrawn for the third child onwards. But then what would happen if the ppl are very poor and still have more than 2 kids ? How will these ppl cope for say medical benefits & the food from PDS/ration etc ?
lostpatrol53 said...
Please read my post titled 'are we a human bomb ready to explode?" for my views.
simi said...
its neither poor ppl nor uneducated ones who go for more than 2 children...its mostly unwanted pregnancies and illegal children who r forced into this world... now a days..which couple wants more than 2....leave some exceptions. Even the poor ppl realises the responsibilities and the expenditure involves and thinks for lesser children. so i think...everyone shud be taught about sex and conception.
tejbir said...
population is indeed the main culprit of all problems of our nation but the method suggested to counter it that is by legislation, is not foolproof and not long lasting check it, strict rules have only encouraged rule-breaking rather, education about ill effects of excess children if seeped well into the minds of indians, esp rural indians will help long term
frenchita said...
population control should be even across the board .no compromises ...pretty much like the Chinese are doing .. will solve so many problems ..hope Government gives it number one priority ...definitely laws should be made irrespective of community and social status and enforced too ..
Max said...
the minorties will be crying foul if such a law is even contemplated :D:D:D
Harshal(dragon king) said...
contraceptive awareness...simple..you know those nice posters of people in their underwear and pictures of B grade movies everywhere..remove that..put a nice poster of a condom and its uses... but hey..as russel peters said, india and china are the most populated countries in the world..and we will be responsible for eradicating racism and color ..no white people...no black people..everyone will be beige...coz face it..india..second largest population in the world..sooner or later..we gonna hump ya...
Rajesh (Kachra King) said...
execute all the criminals ... the populations would automatically reduce
Saturday, June 24, 2006
Cellphones in schools and colleges
Should cellphones be allowed in schools and colleges?
Vrij said...
Yep.. they should be allowed in the Campus, but ideally, they shud be SWITCHED OFF in class.
surabhi said...
cellphones in skool..............sounds very tempting!!!! but seriously cell phones in skools nd colleges should be a complete no no!!!! very very distracting......i hv seen my classmates more involved wid deir fones dan wat is going on in da class........nd dats distracting for everybody..... in skool we cum to study and dat s how it shud be!!!!
lavina said...
Cell phones should be allowed, but as Vrij said, should not become an object of distraction. I do not understand the need of cell phones at the school level though.
Imran said...
kids concentrate more on studing rather than downloading new ring tines and txt msging.. for me cell phones in school....strictly no
Sumit said...
Cellphones in schools... no... the next might be an ipod.. just when the teacher gets that much boring.... :D:D if we continue to allow everything in school, schools will no longer be a place to study.... children are safe enough in schools so the cellphones cannot be a necessity and luxuries should not be allowed at school...
Masoom Rocky said...
Mobile is no longer a communication gadget. It has some captivating power. School children are really addicted 2 txting. The MMS clips which go on rounds is an alarming issue. Students carry porn with them and take snaps of their female collegues. well.. I am myself addicted to it... And i do carry them in my college . But still I dont lyke the idea of allowing mobile phones in Schools or colleges. School is a place to learn.. and such gadgets can be really distracting. And you come to school for studying, not for showing off your latest gizmo
Busybee said...
It should be banned in schools, but colleges its OK, as long as its kept switched off during lectures.
wise donkey said...
No in schools 1.Frequent usage of Cellphones do have an effect on a child's brain 2.It could lead to a pressure on other children to demand a cellphone from their parents (aah now its not just the latest lunchbox but the latest mobile. Yes in colleges But in college cellphones has to be allowed. There can be restrictions, on the mobile type , eg no camera mobile or that the mobile be put in a vibrating mode. If a 18 year old can vote, and decide the fate of the nation, why cant the 18 year old be trusted with a mobile.
DecentmonKey said...
agree with Busybee and Wisedonkey.. no in schools, yes in college..
THE DRAGON KING!!! said...
ofcourse... my magazine works becuase of my cellphone..it even rids my boredom..listen to mp3 on it at times... the camera phone is a must for me atleast... heh... once the principal did put a notice..no cellphones allowed in college... i just clicked a pic of him talking on his cell and posted it on the side of the notice...after that..the notice was changed..cellphones to be switched off during lectures...another pic of prof talking during lectures... princi just gave up then...hahaha moral of the story..cellphones are part of entertainment..they should be allowed in college..dunno about schools..kids that young and cellphones..doubt that is a good idea
frenchita said...
I guess cell phones like children should be neither heard nor seen in schools or colleges . it serves as an easy distraction and a mischief maker to add to the already horribly distracted mind of the kid . But the kid should be allowed to carry it in his bag , switched off ..in case he needs his mom or dad ..
saumya said...
agree with vrij - as long its not used during class its fine -
Tina said...
They r okkk wen in college or school premises But a complete NO NO NO during class hours
Gul said...
Ji Bilkul bhi nahi.school aur colleges mein cell phones ka kya kaam ???? Vahaan bachche padne jaate hai vaha cell phones ki jarurat hi nahi hai.Hame lagtaa hai aadhe se jyaada bachche essi karan pad bhi nahi paate hai. Hum to puri tarah eske paksha mein hai ki enhe school aur college mein cell phones le jaana puri tarah pratibandhit hona chaahiye.Viase bhi students ke iye ye sub sadhan ubhe shikha se door
sam said...
IMO..........a BIG NOOOOOOOOO........ why kids need cell phones in the school....... it will distract them from studies, they will play with the cell phone instead of studying.............. so...NOOOOOOOO
rajesh (Kachra King) said...
well even if u say no today .. tmrw a day wud come ... so y not get used to it from right now??
tejbir said...
keep kids away from something u raise their curiosity and make them go for it yes, all things can't be weighed equally something's HAVE TO BE out of the reach of kids and society(in form of govt) takes care of it but cell phones are useful gadgets, if used properly and with ettiquetes cells should be allowed, after teaching the kids the manners to use it let our kids be responsible by learning responsibility
Vrij said...
Yep.. they should be allowed in the Campus, but ideally, they shud be SWITCHED OFF in class.
surabhi said...
cellphones in skool..............sounds very tempting!!!! but seriously cell phones in skools nd colleges should be a complete no no!!!! very very distracting......i hv seen my classmates more involved wid deir fones dan wat is going on in da class........nd dats distracting for everybody..... in skool we cum to study and dat s how it shud be!!!!
lavina said...
Cell phones should be allowed, but as Vrij said, should not become an object of distraction. I do not understand the need of cell phones at the school level though.
Imran said...
kids concentrate more on studing rather than downloading new ring tines and txt msging.. for me cell phones in school....strictly no
Sumit said...
Cellphones in schools... no... the next might be an ipod.. just when the teacher gets that much boring.... :D:D if we continue to allow everything in school, schools will no longer be a place to study.... children are safe enough in schools so the cellphones cannot be a necessity and luxuries should not be allowed at school...
Masoom Rocky said...
Mobile is no longer a communication gadget. It has some captivating power. School children are really addicted 2 txting. The MMS clips which go on rounds is an alarming issue. Students carry porn with them and take snaps of their female collegues. well.. I am myself addicted to it... And i do carry them in my college . But still I dont lyke the idea of allowing mobile phones in Schools or colleges. School is a place to learn.. and such gadgets can be really distracting. And you come to school for studying, not for showing off your latest gizmo
Busybee said...
It should be banned in schools, but colleges its OK, as long as its kept switched off during lectures.
wise donkey said...
No in schools 1.Frequent usage of Cellphones do have an effect on a child's brain 2.It could lead to a pressure on other children to demand a cellphone from their parents (aah now its not just the latest lunchbox but the latest mobile. Yes in colleges But in college cellphones has to be allowed. There can be restrictions, on the mobile type , eg no camera mobile or that the mobile be put in a vibrating mode. If a 18 year old can vote, and decide the fate of the nation, why cant the 18 year old be trusted with a mobile.
DecentmonKey said...
agree with Busybee and Wisedonkey.. no in schools, yes in college..
THE DRAGON KING!!! said...
ofcourse... my magazine works becuase of my cellphone..it even rids my boredom..listen to mp3 on it at times... the camera phone is a must for me atleast... heh... once the principal did put a notice..no cellphones allowed in college... i just clicked a pic of him talking on his cell and posted it on the side of the notice...after that..the notice was changed..cellphones to be switched off during lectures...another pic of prof talking during lectures... princi just gave up then...hahaha moral of the story..cellphones are part of entertainment..they should be allowed in college..dunno about schools..kids that young and cellphones..doubt that is a good idea
frenchita said...
I guess cell phones like children should be neither heard nor seen in schools or colleges . it serves as an easy distraction and a mischief maker to add to the already horribly distracted mind of the kid . But the kid should be allowed to carry it in his bag , switched off ..in case he needs his mom or dad ..
saumya said...
agree with vrij - as long its not used during class its fine -
Tina said...
They r okkk wen in college or school premises But a complete NO NO NO during class hours
Gul said...
Ji Bilkul bhi nahi.school aur colleges mein cell phones ka kya kaam ???? Vahaan bachche padne jaate hai vaha cell phones ki jarurat hi nahi hai.Hame lagtaa hai aadhe se jyaada bachche essi karan pad bhi nahi paate hai. Hum to puri tarah eske paksha mein hai ki enhe school aur college mein cell phones le jaana puri tarah pratibandhit hona chaahiye.Viase bhi students ke iye ye sub sadhan ubhe shikha se door
sam said...
IMO..........a BIG NOOOOOOOOO........ why kids need cell phones in the school....... it will distract them from studies, they will play with the cell phone instead of studying.............. so...NOOOOOOOO
rajesh (Kachra King) said...
well even if u say no today .. tmrw a day wud come ... so y not get used to it from right now??
tejbir said...
keep kids away from something u raise their curiosity and make them go for it yes, all things can't be weighed equally something's HAVE TO BE out of the reach of kids and society(in form of govt) takes care of it but cell phones are useful gadgets, if used properly and with ettiquetes cells should be allowed, after teaching the kids the manners to use it let our kids be responsible by learning responsibility
Monday, June 19, 2006
Elders in India
Do you feel that with the advent of the nuclear family elders in India are being left on their own to fend for themselves?
anjali said...
yeah datz true to some extent.............but u see it existed before also.........i think u can take care of your parents even if u are on yr job far away........and u can neglect them even if u r living with them............so it all depends upon the individual...........
DecentmonKey said...
Yes, sadly it is on the rise in India, and is a cause of concern..
Vrij said...
Its a very sad thing thats happening.. Its not just the nuclear family phenomenon thats the culprit, but the supposed fast life of today's Gen X thats causing the conflicts. More saddening is the plight of parents/gparents of NRIs. Children Abroad, who dont want to come down to India, and parents cant adjust to the drab boring unfriendly life abroad.. There needs to b a major change in the attitude.. Or..
frenchita said...
Anjali is right , parents can be living with the children and be treated shabbily or they could be away and be finacially taken care of as well as visited often .depends on individual ..clear conscience plays a role ..
sam said...
I agree with Anjali anf Frenchita........that depends on individual........... Childrens should definitely take care of their parents......... Most of us want to do so much for our parents but due to our career/job constraints we cannot do that...........
Sunny said...
I guess, this Western concept is also catching on in our country....Heard about a place for old people/the retired in Coimbatore....But we can choose not to ape the West in this aspect & retain that important thread which will help us to preserve our cultural heritage!
surabhi said...
guess its on the rise in India........ but if kids luv their parents enuf ders never gonna be ne problems.... all of us need to remember tht our existence is their giving nd our life is their gift....nd we owe them sumthng in return!!!! cheers!!!
ALL HAIL THE DRAGON KING!!! said...
well... kids in general should take care of their parents...its the least you can do for them..if not more. It would be ideal to spend time with them during their old age...for those who think that is too difficult it is advisable to visit them frequently..after all..they are YOUR parents...you owe it to them.
masoomrocky said...
well... i think Indians are aping the west.... . In Other countries, every 18 year old thinks he is independent and can do nything.. he runs away from his home.... is involved in a Live In relationship.. and goes and earn by doin sum part time jobs.. Such behaviour is rampant in our society as well... They dont listen to their parents.... they jst wanna be Independent . Teenagers r becoming more nd more rude with their parents. They think parents r interfering in everything... They want more freedom.... And they tend to hate their parents and leave them in a state of depression... GOD SAVE INDIA !!! Its high time... ppl plzz stop beheaving lyke foreigners...its is nt tht COOL...
sk said...
i guess our parents are our jeevan data so we should take care n respact our parents coz we r ere now we our parents kosis only tey ad given us a good life to live so now its our duty to take care of them....
anjali said...
yeah datz true to some extent.............but u see it existed before also.........i think u can take care of your parents even if u are on yr job far away........and u can neglect them even if u r living with them............so it all depends upon the individual...........
DecentmonKey said...
Yes, sadly it is on the rise in India, and is a cause of concern..
Vrij said...
Its a very sad thing thats happening.. Its not just the nuclear family phenomenon thats the culprit, but the supposed fast life of today's Gen X thats causing the conflicts. More saddening is the plight of parents/gparents of NRIs. Children Abroad, who dont want to come down to India, and parents cant adjust to the drab boring unfriendly life abroad.. There needs to b a major change in the attitude.. Or..
frenchita said...
Anjali is right , parents can be living with the children and be treated shabbily or they could be away and be finacially taken care of as well as visited often .depends on individual ..clear conscience plays a role ..
sam said...
I agree with Anjali anf Frenchita........that depends on individual........... Childrens should definitely take care of their parents......... Most of us want to do so much for our parents but due to our career/job constraints we cannot do that...........
Sunny said...
I guess, this Western concept is also catching on in our country....Heard about a place for old people/the retired in Coimbatore....But we can choose not to ape the West in this aspect & retain that important thread which will help us to preserve our cultural heritage!
surabhi said...
guess its on the rise in India........ but if kids luv their parents enuf ders never gonna be ne problems.... all of us need to remember tht our existence is their giving nd our life is their gift....nd we owe them sumthng in return!!!! cheers!!!
ALL HAIL THE DRAGON KING!!! said...
well... kids in general should take care of their parents...its the least you can do for them..if not more. It would be ideal to spend time with them during their old age...for those who think that is too difficult it is advisable to visit them frequently..after all..they are YOUR parents...you owe it to them.
masoomrocky said...
well... i think Indians are aping the west.... . In Other countries, every 18 year old thinks he is independent and can do nything.. he runs away from his home.... is involved in a Live In relationship.. and goes and earn by doin sum part time jobs.. Such behaviour is rampant in our society as well... They dont listen to their parents.... they jst wanna be Independent . Teenagers r becoming more nd more rude with their parents. They think parents r interfering in everything... They want more freedom.... And they tend to hate their parents and leave them in a state of depression... GOD SAVE INDIA !!! Its high time... ppl plzz stop beheaving lyke foreigners...its is nt tht COOL...
sk said...
i guess our parents are our jeevan data so we should take care n respact our parents coz we r ere now we our parents kosis only tey ad given us a good life to live so now its our duty to take care of them....
Saturday, June 03, 2006
Atal Bihari Bajpayee vs. Manmohan Singh
If you compare Atal Bihari Bajpayee with Manmohan Singh,whom do you think the more suitable for PM post and why?
Vrij said...
Difficult question.. ABV is a self made political stalwart.. who can very well handle diplomacy n all that goes with it. But Mannu bhai is the man to 'logically' take India ahead.. of course I mean, if Madam does not hold the veto power..
blogesh said...
agree with vrij. a difficult question there. Abv is grown diplomat with moderate face. with over 40 yrs in politics he graduated to that rank and earned respect from sections of society. as for MM without having that background who was earlier known to businessmen only ; now is compelled to stay within *limits* owing to coalition politics & DEAR MADAM. given a free hand i feel he certainly possess qualities to take india miles ahead.
Prateek said...
A good question. Defenitely ABV was a much better PM than MS. He was not a puppet and moreover he is the one who has been here since independience. He had a vision. He built roads and wished to connect rivers. What has MS or sorry SG done? Reservation. That's it.
Gul said...
Obviously Atal Bihari Bajpaee jee who esle!
frenchita said...
If you force me to compare ( at gunpoint .. he he ) I will say Vajpayeeji .... ,for his achievements over several years , holding varied positions in government , his brilliant yet sentimental mind , his appealing personality , the kind poet in him ,similar philosophy in life as mine .... likeable to the max ...nobody like him ...he was to do more for his country and he was up for it but alas ...
Santosh said...
Its Atalji only. No doubt. He was PM on his own. Kisi ki chhodi huyee kursi nahi mili thi unko. He became PM on his own capabilities.
wise donkey said...
Manmohan Singh..Ideology and intention are not everything, implementation matters..Vajpayee a great person, but a weak politician..he had to do what the Sangh wanted him to do..not what he wanted to do
Vrij said...
Difficult question.. ABV is a self made political stalwart.. who can very well handle diplomacy n all that goes with it. But Mannu bhai is the man to 'logically' take India ahead.. of course I mean, if Madam does not hold the veto power..
blogesh said...
agree with vrij. a difficult question there. Abv is grown diplomat with moderate face. with over 40 yrs in politics he graduated to that rank and earned respect from sections of society. as for MM without having that background who was earlier known to businessmen only ; now is compelled to stay within *limits* owing to coalition politics & DEAR MADAM. given a free hand i feel he certainly possess qualities to take india miles ahead.
Prateek said...
A good question. Defenitely ABV was a much better PM than MS. He was not a puppet and moreover he is the one who has been here since independience. He had a vision. He built roads and wished to connect rivers. What has MS or sorry SG done? Reservation. That's it.
Gul said...
Obviously Atal Bihari Bajpaee jee who esle!
frenchita said...
If you force me to compare ( at gunpoint .. he he ) I will say Vajpayeeji .... ,for his achievements over several years , holding varied positions in government , his brilliant yet sentimental mind , his appealing personality , the kind poet in him ,similar philosophy in life as mine .... likeable to the max ...nobody like him ...he was to do more for his country and he was up for it but alas ...
Santosh said...
Its Atalji only. No doubt. He was PM on his own. Kisi ki chhodi huyee kursi nahi mili thi unko. He became PM on his own capabilities.
wise donkey said...
Manmohan Singh..Ideology and intention are not everything, implementation matters..Vajpayee a great person, but a weak politician..he had to do what the Sangh wanted him to do..not what he wanted to do
Saturday, May 27, 2006
Quotas and increasing seats in educational institutions
Do you think that increasing seats in educational institutions is a solution to the quotas ?
frenchita said...
Yes I suppose. That seems to be a likely temporary solution to accommodate both quota and antiquota people .Hope it doesn't churn too many graduates out ,wasting effort and money of government , only to lose them to foreign lands
DecentmonKey said...
Yes, it is a sensible solution.. and Frenchita has a good point too. Cheers..
shahank said...
No, i donot think so. See there are 2 things, things that are right and thinga that are wrong. existence of a blind quota, is like pandering to the whims of a votebank. now , i am also of veiw that if we have substantiatied prove that so and so people, should be given space for so and so reasons, we have no problems. after all whats gotta be done is gotta be done, dude. But increasing general seats and quota seats, both of them, is temporary,its like putting a nipple in a baby's mouth without finding the cause for the crying.It,s an escape route.Its a solution and not a definitive step that should have been taken. Now if we work with conscience and think, quotas with current system of applications dont make sense.why because, they have quotas for women, every different state has different quotas, in some places like mp there is 69 percent quota!that is not justified. Solution is in amendment of the existing law,bill. a new system, strong but bold steps should be taken which are right. Iam not against reservations, but they should be sensible.and not hit u on the face.We work with poor people, i have been with patients who had only 14 rupees in their pocket, coming and going back fair.We as interns have raised money for patients for emergency operations, distributing sample medicines is a common pratice in every govt. hospitals by the residents. We are moving towards a culture where every body wants a change, with proper infrastructure, where in every body is looking at transparency, mainly influenced with the incoming of mnc,s. and thats exactly what our fight is for.We also want that order transparency in the system called "education".Be it class 1 in the village of morena, or Surgery in aiims. Every election, a new party comes and increases a different quota, this is ridiculous dude. Think about any guy on the street playing the part of Aamir khan in RDB on quota basis, thats exactly what putting quota's at specilization levels is akin to.taknig the credit from the guys who should be doing the stuff plus also missing on a marvelous performance.
potato said...
Yes, it can be. But unfortuantely, we don't have enough teachers for that. Very few of children today would tell you they want to be professors or teachers. If we can encourage more people to join into the teaching field, i think it is the best solution available. But today, when medical colleges have been caught for presenting drivers, peons and even canteen boys as professors to complete the MCI norms, it looks like a far fetched solution.
lavina said...
Yes, it may be a step towards solving the problem, but cannot be the only solution in any case. Other reformative steps to support this are required. More over instead of quotas for a few classes, we should have sponsorship for the economically backward.
rajesh (Kachra King) said...
whether it solves the purpouse of Quota or not .. increase in educational institutions and seats is equired looking at the growing population. But Instead first the primary schools and colleges should be increased to give basic education to everyone. That would answer the reservation issue. Its basically education that the backward classes dont get. So why fight over the advanced education. That should be puerly on merit.
blogesh said...
i dont think that is far sighted solution, instead a stop gap arrangement to reconcile the issue on temporary basis. a much more thought need to be given followed by action for true upliftment of the backwards.
tejbir said...
what is the real issue? reservation or politicians' vested interests thats dividing our indian society on frivolous grounds? aren't these reservations in various walks of life from professions, to parliament a subtle way to acknowledge existence of the wretched caste system in our society? even though our constitution asks us to abolish it!!! when will we treat our constitution as our Geeta, Granth Sahib, Bible, Quran????
Vrij said...
No way is that gonna help.. today OBC, tomm this minority, day after that minority.. this game is gonna continue. Instead, all primary n secondary education to backward classes should be made FREE, and better if special schools/jr colleges r opened for them. But when it comes to proff edu, NO RESERVATIONS watsoever... period.
sam said...
well i dont think its really feasible........ because more seats means more Graduates/P. Graduates.... thats means there will be more unemployment......... and more unemployment means more crime and more politicians....(anyways...criminals and politicians are 2 sides of same coin)...... well but I dont agree with Frenchita's comment bout losing Indians to foreign land..... coz before all this reservation stuff, US consulate is always busy with VISA processings... I dont think people go out of India b'coz of reservation thing..... they are going as they wanna go......there's no any other reason for that...... if anyone says that because of reservation he/she will go abroad so that will be just an excuse, nothing else.......
Ghalib Fan said...
Merit alone should be the criteria.....no quota system for me...... quota system is just a way to beat the system.....and is a tool in the hand of the corrupt.... i believe in one thing, "FIRST DESERVE THEN DESIRE" If u r not upto it.....then don't ask for it.....
frenchita said...
Yes I suppose. That seems to be a likely temporary solution to accommodate both quota and antiquota people .Hope it doesn't churn too many graduates out ,wasting effort and money of government , only to lose them to foreign lands
DecentmonKey said...
Yes, it is a sensible solution.. and Frenchita has a good point too. Cheers..
shahank said...
No, i donot think so. See there are 2 things, things that are right and thinga that are wrong. existence of a blind quota, is like pandering to the whims of a votebank. now , i am also of veiw that if we have substantiatied prove that so and so people, should be given space for so and so reasons, we have no problems. after all whats gotta be done is gotta be done, dude. But increasing general seats and quota seats, both of them, is temporary,its like putting a nipple in a baby's mouth without finding the cause for the crying.It,s an escape route.Its a solution and not a definitive step that should have been taken. Now if we work with conscience and think, quotas with current system of applications dont make sense.why because, they have quotas for women, every different state has different quotas, in some places like mp there is 69 percent quota!that is not justified. Solution is in amendment of the existing law,bill. a new system, strong but bold steps should be taken which are right. Iam not against reservations, but they should be sensible.and not hit u on the face.We work with poor people, i have been with patients who had only 14 rupees in their pocket, coming and going back fair.We as interns have raised money for patients for emergency operations, distributing sample medicines is a common pratice in every govt. hospitals by the residents. We are moving towards a culture where every body wants a change, with proper infrastructure, where in every body is looking at transparency, mainly influenced with the incoming of mnc,s. and thats exactly what our fight is for.We also want that order transparency in the system called "education".Be it class 1 in the village of morena, or Surgery in aiims. Every election, a new party comes and increases a different quota, this is ridiculous dude. Think about any guy on the street playing the part of Aamir khan in RDB on quota basis, thats exactly what putting quota's at specilization levels is akin to.taknig the credit from the guys who should be doing the stuff plus also missing on a marvelous performance.
potato said...
Yes, it can be. But unfortuantely, we don't have enough teachers for that. Very few of children today would tell you they want to be professors or teachers. If we can encourage more people to join into the teaching field, i think it is the best solution available. But today, when medical colleges have been caught for presenting drivers, peons and even canteen boys as professors to complete the MCI norms, it looks like a far fetched solution.
lavina said...
Yes, it may be a step towards solving the problem, but cannot be the only solution in any case. Other reformative steps to support this are required. More over instead of quotas for a few classes, we should have sponsorship for the economically backward.
rajesh (Kachra King) said...
whether it solves the purpouse of Quota or not .. increase in educational institutions and seats is equired looking at the growing population. But Instead first the primary schools and colleges should be increased to give basic education to everyone. That would answer the reservation issue. Its basically education that the backward classes dont get. So why fight over the advanced education. That should be puerly on merit.
blogesh said...
i dont think that is far sighted solution, instead a stop gap arrangement to reconcile the issue on temporary basis. a much more thought need to be given followed by action for true upliftment of the backwards.
tejbir said...
what is the real issue? reservation or politicians' vested interests thats dividing our indian society on frivolous grounds? aren't these reservations in various walks of life from professions, to parliament a subtle way to acknowledge existence of the wretched caste system in our society? even though our constitution asks us to abolish it!!! when will we treat our constitution as our Geeta, Granth Sahib, Bible, Quran????
Vrij said...
No way is that gonna help.. today OBC, tomm this minority, day after that minority.. this game is gonna continue. Instead, all primary n secondary education to backward classes should be made FREE, and better if special schools/jr colleges r opened for them. But when it comes to proff edu, NO RESERVATIONS watsoever... period.
sam said...
well i dont think its really feasible........ because more seats means more Graduates/P. Graduates.... thats means there will be more unemployment......... and more unemployment means more crime and more politicians....(anyways...criminals and politicians are 2 sides of same coin)...... well but I dont agree with Frenchita's comment bout losing Indians to foreign land..... coz before all this reservation stuff, US consulate is always busy with VISA processings... I dont think people go out of India b'coz of reservation thing..... they are going as they wanna go......there's no any other reason for that...... if anyone says that because of reservation he/she will go abroad so that will be just an excuse, nothing else.......
Ghalib Fan said...
Merit alone should be the criteria.....no quota system for me...... quota system is just a way to beat the system.....and is a tool in the hand of the corrupt.... i believe in one thing, "FIRST DESERVE THEN DESIRE" If u r not upto it.....then don't ask for it.....
Saturday, May 20, 2006
Impact of blogs on society
What do you think about the impact of blogs on society ?
blogesh said...
Impact on Society :- Good - people get 2 know literary, penning and many more skills about fellow bloggers on the forum. exchange of good writeups, thoughts, analysis of current topics etc. Bad - Blogs which make their way on TOI homepage , all except a few end up in religion bashing, bad mouthing. Bottomline - To enhance your GK on *both sides above * keep blogging :-) . I would always prefer first one.
SKJ said...
HI boss: The impact of blogs on society - it gives them a reason to think otherwise also which is sometime a lot different from the news. It improves writing style as well as forces to think the other side of the story. As blogs are mostly written by the ones who are not professional writers, even the boring subjects are written interestingly. Like i hv just written something on politics... :) :D :D :D :D cheers...skj
tejbir said...
blogging though has grown very fast but its not significant enough as yet to have any impact on the society blog is just a small aspect of the phenomenon called internet! and as far as indian society goes the impact of internet is yet to be felt in a big effective way! so there's a long way to go b4 blogs on themselves have any effect
4:37 AM
frenchita said...
I like what Blogesh has said here .. Like Tej explains , not much impact on society yet . My personal experience has been positive . Lots of exchange of ideas , diff. personalities to deal with , new abillity to understand the opposing view ,meeting nice folks , learning to like poetry ,and reserving my less favourable comments for fear of hurting others . ( restraint )
potato said...
yes in india it hasn't caught up on the effect on society as yet.. But in the future, i see the blogging world to rise as an independent media form where each blogger is a reporter, editor, cameraman and producer rolled into one. What we are going to see is a great stream of views and activities, management of which would be a difficult as well as a profitable business ie managing of blogs by the servers. Many bloggers who have very successful blogs have gone into forming their own servers and collecting revenue from advertisements. I see many bloggers choosing this way of blogging in the future. But blogs would, in the future, be used as a method of mass tipping off of any matter. as seen in Kaavya Vishwanathan's case, in the blogging world, justice is done Town-Hall style ie the panchayat style you can call it. Whether this is good or bad, cannot be judged right now.
DecentmonKey said...
To add on to some nice feedback already here, blogs are a good platform for expression and to be heard on topics of interest of the blogger.. since every individual is part of the society, it does have a small impact now.. and surely heading towards holding a bigger impact in future.. Cheers..
Vrij said...
Frankly.. None. The blogging community is just too small to have sort of practical impact as yet on the society.
ellen said...
For whatever reason people keep a blog it still is a slow stride to what it can become someday. Right now it serves beautifully as a channel or bridge to other peoples, cultures, and ideas..... and serves wonderfully as one's expression of 'self'. Just one thing tho, I hope this priviledge won't be used for 'bad' --for abusive material or intent which could hurt people.
ashiya said...
Impact on society: well well well........ I think Blooging cool.. Coz it gives people a space, a openeing to express themeselves.... write watever you wanna write.. and enjoy..... It becomes Uncool when at times someone expresses his/her view and if someone doesnt agree then at times not reqd war.... thats at times irritating.......... Else blogging is fun... :-)
GussaWaala said...
Considering that an unbelievably small percentage of our population has access to let alone read these blog, I doubt there is any impact. However, all large movements have small beginnings :-)
blogesh said...
Impact on Society :- Good - people get 2 know literary, penning and many more skills about fellow bloggers on the forum. exchange of good writeups, thoughts, analysis of current topics etc. Bad - Blogs which make their way on TOI homepage , all except a few end up in religion bashing, bad mouthing. Bottomline - To enhance your GK on *both sides above * keep blogging :-) . I would always prefer first one.
SKJ said...
HI boss: The impact of blogs on society - it gives them a reason to think otherwise also which is sometime a lot different from the news. It improves writing style as well as forces to think the other side of the story. As blogs are mostly written by the ones who are not professional writers, even the boring subjects are written interestingly. Like i hv just written something on politics... :) :D :D :D :D cheers...skj
tejbir said...
blogging though has grown very fast but its not significant enough as yet to have any impact on the society blog is just a small aspect of the phenomenon called internet! and as far as indian society goes the impact of internet is yet to be felt in a big effective way! so there's a long way to go b4 blogs on themselves have any effect
4:37 AM
frenchita said...
I like what Blogesh has said here .. Like Tej explains , not much impact on society yet . My personal experience has been positive . Lots of exchange of ideas , diff. personalities to deal with , new abillity to understand the opposing view ,meeting nice folks , learning to like poetry ,and reserving my less favourable comments for fear of hurting others . ( restraint )
potato said...
yes in india it hasn't caught up on the effect on society as yet.. But in the future, i see the blogging world to rise as an independent media form where each blogger is a reporter, editor, cameraman and producer rolled into one. What we are going to see is a great stream of views and activities, management of which would be a difficult as well as a profitable business ie managing of blogs by the servers. Many bloggers who have very successful blogs have gone into forming their own servers and collecting revenue from advertisements. I see many bloggers choosing this way of blogging in the future. But blogs would, in the future, be used as a method of mass tipping off of any matter. as seen in Kaavya Vishwanathan's case, in the blogging world, justice is done Town-Hall style ie the panchayat style you can call it. Whether this is good or bad, cannot be judged right now.
DecentmonKey said...
To add on to some nice feedback already here, blogs are a good platform for expression and to be heard on topics of interest of the blogger.. since every individual is part of the society, it does have a small impact now.. and surely heading towards holding a bigger impact in future.. Cheers..
Vrij said...
Frankly.. None. The blogging community is just too small to have sort of practical impact as yet on the society.
ellen said...
For whatever reason people keep a blog it still is a slow stride to what it can become someday. Right now it serves beautifully as a channel or bridge to other peoples, cultures, and ideas..... and serves wonderfully as one's expression of 'self'. Just one thing tho, I hope this priviledge won't be used for 'bad' --for abusive material or intent which could hurt people.
ashiya said...
Impact on society: well well well........ I think Blooging cool.. Coz it gives people a space, a openeing to express themeselves.... write watever you wanna write.. and enjoy..... It becomes Uncool when at times someone expresses his/her view and if someone doesnt agree then at times not reqd war.... thats at times irritating.......... Else blogging is fun... :-)
GussaWaala said...
Considering that an unbelievably small percentage of our population has access to let alone read these blog, I doubt there is any impact. However, all large movements have small beginnings :-)
Saturday, May 13, 2006
Safety of Indian in Afganistan
Do you think that India should send more security forces to Afganistan for the safety of Indian workers ?
Vrij said...
No. Instead, India should advise the workers to stay away from A'stan or head there at their own risk.. Ditto for all troubled nations.. Iraq, Iran, maybe even Pak !
frenchita said...
Depends how many Indians are in Afghanistan ,are they doing our governments work or their own ? what about the Indian embassy there ? are they safe .. Indian government should insist , nay threaten the Afghani government to take more precautions and utilize their military or whatever to protect the Indians seeking employment there .Every Indian's life is precious , nothing less will be tolerated .
Sumit said...
I think all the Indians should be called back from Afghanistan, and Indian forces should be sent to clear off... the Sick Taliban from there.
tejbir said...
since indians working there are doing more of a rehabilitation work whether through private cos or NGOs or any other way so its the responsibility of the entire world to see that people from all nations toiling there to rebuild the razed country are given full protection these terrorists are the most coward people dont show their faces kill and run attack vulnerable innocents
Vrij said...
No. Instead, India should advise the workers to stay away from A'stan or head there at their own risk.. Ditto for all troubled nations.. Iraq, Iran, maybe even Pak !
frenchita said...
Depends how many Indians are in Afghanistan ,are they doing our governments work or their own ? what about the Indian embassy there ? are they safe .. Indian government should insist , nay threaten the Afghani government to take more precautions and utilize their military or whatever to protect the Indians seeking employment there .Every Indian's life is precious , nothing less will be tolerated .
Sumit said...
I think all the Indians should be called back from Afghanistan, and Indian forces should be sent to clear off... the Sick Taliban from there.
tejbir said...
since indians working there are doing more of a rehabilitation work whether through private cos or NGOs or any other way so its the responsibility of the entire world to see that people from all nations toiling there to rebuild the razed country are given full protection these terrorists are the most coward people dont show their faces kill and run attack vulnerable innocents
Saturday, May 06, 2006
Kissing/Hugging in a public place
Should action be taken against a couple for kissing/hugging in a public place?
lavina said...
You cannot impose a universal rule that kissing and hugging in public in illegal! can u?? Anything that is obscene and vulgur should not be a part of the public display scheme!! Had it been in France or any other Nation where these things are acceptable, there would have been no issues at all. It is India, couples should understand the culture and social acceptability norms. Imposing bans does not serve any purpose according to me. Arn't we living in a civilized world?? Don't we understand what should be done and what not?? Self regulation is yhe key word. And what's gonna come next?? Ban on children shouting at their parents? ban on children not insulting their teachers? Ban on wot all..................................... oops, too long a comment?? :)
Gul said...
Ji haan bilkul action hona chahiye. ye hamari sanskruti nahi hai.public place ke apne maryaadayaye hai.jinhe subke follow kerna chahiye.
pearl said...
I dont think kissing or hugging in public is vulgar.. its just a moment of affection.... Yes as long as no nudity is there...display of affection just by huging or a kiss should not be banned... If ppl can hold hands in public ..why cant they hug in public????
Vrij said...
Well.. I'd take the middle road here... If its just a decent peck, its ok.. and of course, it just cant be in the middle of the road with a million ppl watching.. if its in a quiet park(which IS a public place).. then wats the issue.. or do we expect a couple to kiss only within the confines of their bedrooms? Oh, how boring that would be!! :-(
punk edge said...
NOoo000OOOOO i mean unless its crossing the limits of obscenity. nothin wrong in display of affection
frenchita said...
This question is a slippery one ! It ALL depends .It does draw attention from the public , especially when the rich , young folk ( this means the goras and then the page 3 people ) are doing it .Little children will have a field day .. Ideally should be done in the privacy of home or car ... he he ... If it is a gay couple , then more museebat ! No legal action need be taken but some dirty looks can be given in the couple's direction . If they are shameless , they will continue , I guess .That's the best that can be done at this point . :)
ellen said...
Is a sense of propriety or consideration and respect for other people's sensibilities no longer acceptable in our time? I think that there is a right time and place for everything. Since a blatant display of 'affection' in public may offend some people, perhaps this could serve as a guide - "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." Meaning, know where you are. If you're in Italy where the Italians make no fuss about public show of affection, I guess you'd be in good company. lolz But if you were in a conservative country or culture, it would be wise to put your best conservative foot forward. And that includes manners, too. :-)
Divya said...
Nah! No one really cares.....at least Divya doesn't - if you like PDA and wanna do it - totally up to you!!
Sumit said...
though it should not be illegal, but i think that the people themselves have to be conscious of the fact that such display remains within the limit of decency....
wise donkey said...
well hugging kissing is fine, but intercourse no:D
simi said...
its okaye...couple only na...strangers toe nahi na...let them express their feelings...public ya private...place doesn't matter..yaar !!
lavina said...
You cannot impose a universal rule that kissing and hugging in public in illegal! can u?? Anything that is obscene and vulgur should not be a part of the public display scheme!! Had it been in France or any other Nation where these things are acceptable, there would have been no issues at all. It is India, couples should understand the culture and social acceptability norms. Imposing bans does not serve any purpose according to me. Arn't we living in a civilized world?? Don't we understand what should be done and what not?? Self regulation is yhe key word. And what's gonna come next?? Ban on children shouting at their parents? ban on children not insulting their teachers? Ban on wot all..................................... oops, too long a comment?? :)
Gul said...
Ji haan bilkul action hona chahiye. ye hamari sanskruti nahi hai.public place ke apne maryaadayaye hai.jinhe subke follow kerna chahiye.
pearl said...
I dont think kissing or hugging in public is vulgar.. its just a moment of affection.... Yes as long as no nudity is there...display of affection just by huging or a kiss should not be banned... If ppl can hold hands in public ..why cant they hug in public????
Vrij said...
Well.. I'd take the middle road here... If its just a decent peck, its ok.. and of course, it just cant be in the middle of the road with a million ppl watching.. if its in a quiet park(which IS a public place).. then wats the issue.. or do we expect a couple to kiss only within the confines of their bedrooms? Oh, how boring that would be!! :-(
punk edge said...
NOoo000OOOOO i mean unless its crossing the limits of obscenity. nothin wrong in display of affection
frenchita said...
This question is a slippery one ! It ALL depends .It does draw attention from the public , especially when the rich , young folk ( this means the goras and then the page 3 people ) are doing it .Little children will have a field day .. Ideally should be done in the privacy of home or car ... he he ... If it is a gay couple , then more museebat ! No legal action need be taken but some dirty looks can be given in the couple's direction . If they are shameless , they will continue , I guess .That's the best that can be done at this point . :)
ellen said...
Is a sense of propriety or consideration and respect for other people's sensibilities no longer acceptable in our time? I think that there is a right time and place for everything. Since a blatant display of 'affection' in public may offend some people, perhaps this could serve as a guide - "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." Meaning, know where you are. If you're in Italy where the Italians make no fuss about public show of affection, I guess you'd be in good company. lolz But if you were in a conservative country or culture, it would be wise to put your best conservative foot forward. And that includes manners, too. :-)
Divya said...
Nah! No one really cares.....at least Divya doesn't - if you like PDA and wanna do it - totally up to you!!
Sumit said...
though it should not be illegal, but i think that the people themselves have to be conscious of the fact that such display remains within the limit of decency....
wise donkey said...
well hugging kissing is fine, but intercourse no:D
simi said...
its okaye...couple only na...strangers toe nahi na...let them express their feelings...public ya private...place doesn't matter..yaar !!
Saturday, April 29, 2006
Arranged marriage , Arranged cum love marriage and Love marriage .
Which one is most successful in India and Why ?
Arranged marriage , Arranged cum love marriage or Love marriage .
frenchita said...
Arranged cum love marriage . I am taking the middle road , I guess ,straddling the fence so as to say . This kind of marriage satisfies both the youngsters and their parents which is an important factor . The two have met , liked each other ,their backgrounds are similar , their parents are in approval and will be a pillar of support should trouble arise in the marriage
lavina said...
Arranged cum love marriage......takes care of the all the aspects........parent's dreams, personal preferences, know-how about each other's family background and best of all parent's backing is there all the time ....... Why invite trouble unnecessarily ;) :))
Gul said...
Arrenged -cum-love marriage. Sabki Khushiyo ko Ek-saath leker chalne se Khushi Chooguni ho jati hai...!
Vrij said...
Donno... Not yet in love, nor have got arranged .. Anyone interested ;-)
Ashiya said...
not sure seriuosly......... love marriage ya arranged marriage ya arranged love marriage......... nah not sure.....
kratia said...
actually anything works..it depends on the people involved..any relationship requires a certain amount of adjustment and if one is ready for it, i guess any of it can be successful... but there was an sms i recieved which said love marriage is preffered over arranged bcos a known devil is better than an unknown devil...so..
K.subbaraman said...
Whether arrange or love or love-cum arrange marriage, what is required is tolerance. One has to accept his or her life-partner as she/he is. The problems arise when we try to change the other and become intolerant when the other fails to do so.. After all what we do in a marriage is blend two different family environment into one. It is tough task and calls for patience and tolerance. K.subbaraman
ellen said...
Marriage is a forever thing. Whatever the tradition or culture dictates, the foundation should stand on one sure thing -- love. So if there is anything that could last that long---it can only be love. Genuine love. And because any relationship will certaily go through the usual ups-and-downs of life, there should something strong to hold it together through it all. I know no other thing that can do that --- but love. True love. To quote: "love is patient, kind, without envy. It is not boastful or arrogant. It is not ill-mannered nor does it seek its own interest. Love withstands anger, and forgets offenses. It does not take delight in wrong, but rejoices with the truth. Love excuses everything, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things." Who said this? Paul in his letter to the Corinthians. In short, the greatest gift you can give each other in a marriage or any relationship for that matter --- is love. No gift is higher than love. But it is the most difficult to give. We act and behave contrarily to what it tells us. There is love and love... but only genuine love can withstand the test of time. As far as I know, there is only one who succeeded in it to perfection --- and He died on the cross. God bless everyone.
Arranged marriage , Arranged cum love marriage or Love marriage .
frenchita said...
Arranged cum love marriage . I am taking the middle road , I guess ,straddling the fence so as to say . This kind of marriage satisfies both the youngsters and their parents which is an important factor . The two have met , liked each other ,their backgrounds are similar , their parents are in approval and will be a pillar of support should trouble arise in the marriage
lavina said...
Arranged cum love marriage......takes care of the all the aspects........parent's dreams, personal preferences, know-how about each other's family background and best of all parent's backing is there all the time ....... Why invite trouble unnecessarily ;) :))
Gul said...
Arrenged -cum-love marriage. Sabki Khushiyo ko Ek-saath leker chalne se Khushi Chooguni ho jati hai...!
Vrij said...
Donno... Not yet in love, nor have got arranged .. Anyone interested ;-)
Ashiya said...
not sure seriuosly......... love marriage ya arranged marriage ya arranged love marriage......... nah not sure.....
kratia said...
actually anything works..it depends on the people involved..any relationship requires a certain amount of adjustment and if one is ready for it, i guess any of it can be successful... but there was an sms i recieved which said love marriage is preffered over arranged bcos a known devil is better than an unknown devil...so..
K.subbaraman said...
Whether arrange or love or love-cum arrange marriage, what is required is tolerance. One has to accept his or her life-partner as she/he is. The problems arise when we try to change the other and become intolerant when the other fails to do so.. After all what we do in a marriage is blend two different family environment into one. It is tough task and calls for patience and tolerance. K.subbaraman
ellen said...
Marriage is a forever thing. Whatever the tradition or culture dictates, the foundation should stand on one sure thing -- love. So if there is anything that could last that long---it can only be love. Genuine love. And because any relationship will certaily go through the usual ups-and-downs of life, there should something strong to hold it together through it all. I know no other thing that can do that --- but love. True love. To quote: "love is patient, kind, without envy. It is not boastful or arrogant. It is not ill-mannered nor does it seek its own interest. Love withstands anger, and forgets offenses. It does not take delight in wrong, but rejoices with the truth. Love excuses everything, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things." Who said this? Paul in his letter to the Corinthians. In short, the greatest gift you can give each other in a marriage or any relationship for that matter --- is love. No gift is higher than love. But it is the most difficult to give. We act and behave contrarily to what it tells us. There is love and love... but only genuine love can withstand the test of time. As far as I know, there is only one who succeeded in it to perfection --- and He died on the cross. God bless everyone.
Saturday, April 22, 2006
Important Thing in Our Life
What should be the most important thing in our Life-----Money, Power, Health,
Relations, Commitment, Social Status, Character or Something else?
anjali said...
health
anuja said...
HEALTH N RELATIONS
Ashiya said...
I think: Love and happiness
sur said...
Health then Chaaracter
lavina said...
hmmm.out of the ones you gave, i guess, character but i personally feel, peace of mind! satisfaction at the end of the day........then these things will follow automatically...happiness...money....etc cheers
Sumit said...
Character and being Happy
librangirl said...
i'll go for Health n' Relations
pri said...
agree with lavina.. peace of mind..then comes health and relations. love pri
Gul said...
Charecter.....Peace of mind......Health......happy n healthy relations
Utkarsh (Kabir) said...
Money, Power and Social Status are like saline water, incapable of quenching my thirst. What I will do, if my good health makes me survive for few more days. My world is full of loveless beggars, in which relations cant be defined. I am forced to adjust my Character everyday, by reflecting myself in eyes of others. Commitment for me is nothing but meeting the expectations of others (which i had been fruitlessly trying to meet from the first day of my SCHOOL) I want to reach a state in my life where all these things are like a minuscule dot in the horizon of my life. I want to be a "KABIR"........................
ellen said...
I would think that everything starts from CHARACTER. Everything else is a bonus. A developed character in the sense of goodness, strength, courage, wisdom, maturity, solid values, and beliefs taking root in a person-- can well help that person acqure the rest quite easily. And handle them wisely. The character of a person determines the good and bad in his life and in his relationships with people and with rest of the world. Let's raise our children to be of good character-- and you can be assured that he is far more richer than the kings of the world. God bless you! :-)
frenchita said...
Character would be number one for me .
taira said...
well all are linked with one another and equally important
Relations, Commitment, Social Status, Character or Something else?
anjali said...
health
anuja said...
HEALTH N RELATIONS
Ashiya said...
I think: Love and happiness
sur said...
Health then Chaaracter
lavina said...
hmmm.out of the ones you gave, i guess, character but i personally feel, peace of mind! satisfaction at the end of the day........then these things will follow automatically...happiness...money....etc cheers
Sumit said...
Character and being Happy
librangirl said...
i'll go for Health n' Relations
pri said...
agree with lavina.. peace of mind..then comes health and relations. love pri
Gul said...
Charecter.....Peace of mind......Health......happy n healthy relations
Utkarsh (Kabir) said...
Money, Power and Social Status are like saline water, incapable of quenching my thirst. What I will do, if my good health makes me survive for few more days. My world is full of loveless beggars, in which relations cant be defined. I am forced to adjust my Character everyday, by reflecting myself in eyes of others. Commitment for me is nothing but meeting the expectations of others (which i had been fruitlessly trying to meet from the first day of my SCHOOL) I want to reach a state in my life where all these things are like a minuscule dot in the horizon of my life. I want to be a "KABIR"........................
ellen said...
I would think that everything starts from CHARACTER. Everything else is a bonus. A developed character in the sense of goodness, strength, courage, wisdom, maturity, solid values, and beliefs taking root in a person-- can well help that person acqure the rest quite easily. And handle them wisely. The character of a person determines the good and bad in his life and in his relationships with people and with rest of the world. Let's raise our children to be of good character-- and you can be assured that he is far more richer than the kings of the world. God bless you! :-)
frenchita said...
Character would be number one for me .
taira said...
well all are linked with one another and equally important
Friday, April 14, 2006
Role of Prayer in our Life
Do prayers affect the condition of someone ?
Noble said...
Prayers do give you peace. Everytime I pray I feel comfortable. It doesn't matter which Prayer you Pray, But Sitting down and giving your attention to GOD is the most comfortable thing.
tejbir said...
actually i consider prayer and worldly matters distinct God has nothing to do with our health, wealth, and any material possessions whatsoever a prayer is actually the most selfish and the most humble act simultaneously a prayer never gets us any health, any wealth, any marks, any promotions etc etc it brings one thing - peace of mind, tranquility of existence and oneness (these 3 r indeed one) i know i haven't answered the ques directly, but this is what a prayer for me is
frenchita said...
Mostly people pray when they are in trouble or when they need something from God , like more wealth or an offspring . These can become selfish prayers ,should not fall in this trap ! True prayers are on a daily basis to communicate with this superior power who has given us life . To look upon him as the ultimate friend ,we are his mirror image ! Slowly and if done with sincerity , prayers do affect how we think and feel and act . If we dont become happier , at peace and more cheerful , then the prayers are not helping ,need to pay more attention .
sur said...
yea i complety agree to this.. when we pray for someone then those good wishes directly affect the one for whom we are praying coz i believe we are always surrounded by evil and good souls and when we pray something good for other then these all good souls help the person!.. thats why if we cant think good for anyone then we shant even think bad for them!!..coz i think evil travels faster than angel!!
DecentmonKey said...
Your question reminds me of an article I had read in Readers Digest a few years back.. There was a real experiment done in an hospital in USA. A batch of patients (all suffering from similiar ailment which I dont remember now) were divided into two groups, and the names of one group were prayed for on a daily basis.. After a few months, it was concluded this 'prayed for' group did better in terms of recovery, side effects and lesser deaths than the not-prayed for group.. This article was titled 'The power of prayers'
Sumit said...
Logically Prayers are insignificant, but it's just a matter of internal belief, because of your faith in god which makes him a pillar on which you can rely in the hour of need... and that's why I pray when I need him and even when I don't.
Vasu said...
Prayers are important for ones own peace of mind. Prayers take our mind away from the daily troubles and fill it with hope.
Anonymous said...
prayers may or not affect our lives its wat we believe, i.e. psychological effect , we pray coz we believe things wil go well by doing such , we r hving positive frame of mind , n wen we have such attitude , we work 4 it wich al our energy n that brings d right kind of results
Noble said...
Prayers do give you peace. Everytime I pray I feel comfortable. It doesn't matter which Prayer you Pray, But Sitting down and giving your attention to GOD is the most comfortable thing.
tejbir said...
actually i consider prayer and worldly matters distinct God has nothing to do with our health, wealth, and any material possessions whatsoever a prayer is actually the most selfish and the most humble act simultaneously a prayer never gets us any health, any wealth, any marks, any promotions etc etc it brings one thing - peace of mind, tranquility of existence and oneness (these 3 r indeed one) i know i haven't answered the ques directly, but this is what a prayer for me is
frenchita said...
Mostly people pray when they are in trouble or when they need something from God , like more wealth or an offspring . These can become selfish prayers ,should not fall in this trap ! True prayers are on a daily basis to communicate with this superior power who has given us life . To look upon him as the ultimate friend ,we are his mirror image ! Slowly and if done with sincerity , prayers do affect how we think and feel and act . If we dont become happier , at peace and more cheerful , then the prayers are not helping ,need to pay more attention .
sur said...
yea i complety agree to this.. when we pray for someone then those good wishes directly affect the one for whom we are praying coz i believe we are always surrounded by evil and good souls and when we pray something good for other then these all good souls help the person!.. thats why if we cant think good for anyone then we shant even think bad for them!!..coz i think evil travels faster than angel!!
DecentmonKey said...
Your question reminds me of an article I had read in Readers Digest a few years back.. There was a real experiment done in an hospital in USA. A batch of patients (all suffering from similiar ailment which I dont remember now) were divided into two groups, and the names of one group were prayed for on a daily basis.. After a few months, it was concluded this 'prayed for' group did better in terms of recovery, side effects and lesser deaths than the not-prayed for group.. This article was titled 'The power of prayers'
Sumit said...
Logically Prayers are insignificant, but it's just a matter of internal belief, because of your faith in god which makes him a pillar on which you can rely in the hour of need... and that's why I pray when I need him and even when I don't.
Vasu said...
Prayers are important for ones own peace of mind. Prayers take our mind away from the daily troubles and fill it with hope.
Anonymous said...
prayers may or not affect our lives its wat we believe, i.e. psychological effect , we pray coz we believe things wil go well by doing such , we r hving positive frame of mind , n wen we have such attitude , we work 4 it wich al our energy n that brings d right kind of results
Reservation in IITs and IIMs
Do you think that Government plan to reserve another 27% seats in IIMs & IITs is in the interest of country?
Dr. Karan Thakur said...
I totally disaggree with the policy on reservations, more on my blog onepointoh
savy said...
totally disagree...we create more bias when globalisation is working towards a symmetry of sorts. i thought we had crossed that bridge but sadly....being pushed back again.
tECHJ said...
they are playing pure vote bank politics... people who cannot learn or dont have the brains to learn...will be taught...and with the money we pay as taxes...
librangirl said...
Not at all.... n' worst still to come- they wud be implementin' in all the universities. Reservation is nothin' but crap & bull shit.... cheers
AngelzFear said...
Arjun Singh can do no better. For the sake of votebank politics, he can go to any extent.
skj said...
Hi guys: I too disagree with the Govt's plan for reservations.... but isn't it a truth that we can avoid this issue and we have to find a solution which should be fair and acceptable for all. And the best solution is that - Reservations in Jobs and Education or anywhere should not be allowed. But the education should be free of cost for SC/ST/OBC community. cheers..skj
anjali said....
i hv a suggestion........y dont govt. open sm of d institutes only for them...........and lets c hw dey cope up in the job market.........no reservation
IKWP said...
Implementation of additional reservation is disgusting... it will degrade our premier institutes. On one hand our premier institutes are going global and on the other hand we are hell bent to ruin their standards and in turn ruin the country.
Vrij said...
Very soon, a person earning 90lakhs will be looking down on another earning 88L because the latter wud gave gotten in thru 'reservations'. Bloody diarrhoeal shit... to blast with these reservations
Me said...
hi, we as the ppl of india r born with reservations. reservations of every kind.its nothing but political gimmick tht thing reservation. initially it was for 10 years when india got its independence, but the politician of our country the wise ppl they smoothly carried over tht to another 10 years religiously.it ll be a better idea to give education to the underpriveledged ppl then to force reservations on them becuase ulitimately the benefit goes to the priviledged reserved ppls. hope u dont mind just an observation
Sumit said...
From Bad to worse... another poll gimmick...
Gul said...
hum bilkul bhi sahmat nahi hai . IIM and IIT jaise hamare Desh ke sirmour sanshathane bhi estarah ka reservation.Bilkul bhi nsahi nahi hai. Yesi policy banati hi kyu hai Govt??? Gul.
zady said...
India is simply digging its own grave with this policy, if merit is not the criteria then we had forget the dream of being a self sufficent and superpower. This law will have a similar impact as Atom Bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WW2.....boom goes our world...never to be same again
kk said...
No....this is rubbish. no reservations.
soma said...
I totally disagree with the new reservation policy... if we want to uplift thew backward classes ( that I believe was the major purpose of reservation) then let them prove their merit, after tht the govt can fund their education in the best institutes across the country. Admission to a top rung institute or a professional degree should be on the basis of merit and merit alone.
Sohrav gupta said...
so one thing, take amar singh to me i will try to convince him to take his words back. as its indian youngsters life and they are damm serious this time.
Ankit Mathur said...
Can you imagine this happening in INDIA? Government of India has a online Grievance forum at http://darpg-grievance.nic.in/ The government wants people to use this tool to highlight the problems they faced while dealing with Government officials or departments like Passport Office, Electricity board, BSNL/MTNL, Railways etc etc. I know many people will say that these things dont work in India, but this actually works as one of our colleague in CSC found. The guy i'm talking about lives in Faridabad. Couple of months back, the Faridabad Municipal corporation laid new roads in his area and the residents were very happy about it. But 2 weeks later, BSNL dugged up the newly laid roads to install new cables which annoyed all the residents including this guy. But it was only this guy who used the above listed grievance forum to highlight his concern. And to his surprise, BSNL and Municipal corporation of faridabad was served a showcause notice and the guy recieved a copy of the notice in one week. Government has asked the MC and BSNL about the goof up as its clear that both the governent departments were not in sync at all. So use this grievance forum and educate others who dont know about this facility. This way we can atleast raise our concerns instead of just talking about the 'System' in India. Well I'd say if it really works perhaps its the time to start using it as a mechanism to appeal against the YET AGAIN QUOTA SYSTEM in educational instituitions. Its for the betterment of people of india that we stand united against this move or, else at some stage perhaps sooner than later we'll find ourselves grappling with these insane laws. Looking forward to some co-operation.
Priya said...
Hi Shrawan disagree with reservations, its like handing it them on a platter without any hardwork. take care :)
Rohit bhardwaj said...
What are you resenting these politicians will do the following 1. Wait till assembly elections 2. If congress wins , it will be imposed in all education institutons including the primary aide and non aided schools 3. Then they will become bold and impose it in private sector jobs through an ordinance 4. announce mid term elections 5. If congress wins it will convert it into a bill and pass the law 6. If congress losses the other junta will do it in any case it will make the next govt very stable and INDIA A DIVIDED COUNTRY
smilegirl said...
reservations are total injustice..what about the students who slog n work hard ..where as the others just get in like that.. the standards of various institutes n univ's will fall n so will the country's..rather the govt shud have a better alternative like..providin free n better education to the underprivleged... if they have the apptitude they will come up..other than providin them addmissions on a platter...its simply unfair n total injustice...its just a political move to gain more votes...
Me said...
I can't beleive that politicians can't think beyond securing the next 5 years to earn gr8 bucks,unfortunately they don't give a dman to the country.if imposed a very sad decision indeed.Have a post 'Reserved' on my blog.wud love to hear frm u guys there.
Changing_Hues said...
Its a mockery of Democracy - We donot need laws to cripple our economy with unskilled "reserved" unprofessionals. Sadly, PM, who I thought was sensible, has proven that he is nothing but a political pawn. more on http://o3.indiatimes.com/thinkingwomen/
camelpost said...
I challenge the concerned jokers to go ahead with 50% Reservation for not only students but also for teaching staff. Its better that Government builds one more IIT and IIM and call them RIIT and RIIM (R stands for you know what) and let others live in peace and maintain their standards. RIIT and RIIM may be put under AICTE for added glory. It will be wiser for the government to offer the best of education from primary education and make them face the world rather than give them feel of artificial security by reservation.
camelpost said...
Naam Arjun Raknewala sab Yudh nahi jeeet sakteinaur IIT IIM koi Kurushetra bi nahi heinNa is Arjun ke paas koi Krishn bhi haiParitranaya sadhunam vinasaya SathuskrathamDharma samsdha banarthaya sambavami yuge yugeTora Tora Tora
Anonymous said…
reservation in iits n iims is sure to demean d standars of such premier institutes . it is nothing bt a step to enhance one's vote bank coz d ones for whom reservation is meant wud never be benefitted as dey r nt even aware of it. 1600 seats out of iits n 246 of iims quite a large figure to count on , d meritorious r cheated dis way .
camelpost said...
AICTE Punched by Court OrdersThe Madras High Court, in an interim direction relating to the regulatory jurisdiction of the AICTE and the UGC over deemed universities, has instructed the former to issue a public notice advising students to attend classes. Reserving its final order, a bench comprising Chief Justice A P Shah and Justice Prabha Sridevan said the AICTE in its advertisement should mention that students must return to their colleges, since failure to attend classes would result in their losing an academic year. It must be published in English and Indian language newspapers, the judges said. The bench indicated that orders would be pronounced in the third week of May and observed that all deemed universities must take prior permission from the UGC before starting new courses. The AICTE could be part of the inspection team mandated to visit deemed universities, the judges added.
Anonymous said...
What "merit" are we talking of anyway ? Scores in entrance exams at age of 17?Take the claim of "merit based" entrance to all IIMs and dozens of other institutes. The CAT exam is based on the SAT exam in the USA . It has been proved beyond doubt that the SAT test is culturally biased . Blacks and hispanics do poorly at it year after year .If a student who is eligible for admission to IIM on the basis of his CAT score, were to take the same CAT exam in which he/she cleared in a language that he/she did not understand then he/she would be at a disadvantage compared to someone who was schooled in that language . Not knowing that language does not mean you lack the capacity to clear that exam. Approximately 25 % of CAT test is about English! Another 25 % is about English Comprehension!!!! There you are !!!! About 50 % so called aptitude test is a hoax for someone who is from a non-english speaking background .This is how the CAT like the SAT is discriminatory . See the full form of SAT …Scholastic Aptitude Test . The problem is aptitude testing is not so simple . There is no test on earth which can reliably tests aptitude .Aptitude tests such as the SAT have a historical tie to the concept of innate mental abilities and the belief that such abilities can be defined and meaningfully measured. Neither notion has been supported by modern research. Few scientists who have considered these matters seriously would argue that aptitude tests such as the SAT provide a true measure of intellectual abilities. It was found that people could be coached to better their scores at SAT . The name SAT …Scholastic Aptitude Test could not be correct . So under such valid criticism the name was changed to Scholastic Assessment Test, since a test that can be coached clearly did not measure inherent "scholastic aptitude", but was influenced largely by what the test subject had learned in school. Even the College Board which conducts the SAT has beaten a hasty retreat.This was a major theoretical retreat by the College Board conducting SAT, which had previously maintained that the test measured inherent aptitude and was free of bias. About ten years back , however, even the redundancy of the term assessment test was recognized and the name was changed to the neutral, and non-descriptive, SAT. At the time, the College Board announced, "Please note that SAT is not an initialism. It does not stand for anything."The framers of these SAT tests assumed that intelligence was a unitary inherited attribute, that it was not subject to change over a lifetime, and that it could be measured and individuals could be ranked and assigned their place in society accordingly. The SAT evolved from these questionable assumptions about human talent and potential. More and more people are questioning the validity of SAT . In the past MENSA used to accept high SAT score individuals . For the past decade it has stopped accepting SAT scores .The whole exercise of deciding merit based on CAT scores discriminates against those from lower socio-economic status.Though many non-IIM institutes have started accepting CAT scores, the application fee of these institutes is still inexplicably high. The CAT is primarily an exam of Math and English. Logical and Analytical Reasoning is nearly absent (except for some verbal reasoning which again depends on knowing English well!!!!). CAT is a clever way to keep those from lower socio-economic strata away Institutes funded with tax payers money .So claims of “Merit” based on CAT scores is hollow and discriminatory against those of lower socio-economic strata.Dhirubhai Ambani had a poor command over English . He would not have made it through CAT. So what "merit" are we talking of?
Anonymous said...
Bit more to add than my earlier post .My main point was that inherent aptitude/talent (INBORN MERIT) can’t be tested. What gets tested in a test like the CAT or SAT or any test is the person’s learning (ACQUIRED MERIT). I am not saying this learning(ACQUIRED MERIT) is a bad thing and those who possess it needs to penalized by denying them an opportunity for furthering their education .I am saying lets stop pretending that we are measuring inherit aptitude/talent(INBORN MERIT) in these entrance examinations . Once we accept that what we are measuring in CAT or the other entrance exams is something that has been learnt with effort often since childhood we also see that others who have not had the good fortune of such a childhood could also learn those very things if only with harder work in teens or adulthood . And a person who has learnt skills late in his life can be as competent as anyone. So some one with a poor score in an Entrance exam can acquire sufficient merit like any one else. Rashmi Bansal of IIM Ahmedabad ,popular blogger , editor of an English youth magazine says in this article http://in.rediff.com/getahead/2006/may/02rashmi.htm“All students must learn English because it is a vital skill in the New Economy” But even the Americans don’t think its going to enough in the “new economy” .American President Bush thinks that learning Hindi and a few other foreign languages is a "critical need" for the US's national security and prosperity. http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1591447,00050001.htmOr http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1362386.cms In this article http://www.cmomagazine.com/analyst/031805_csa.html That article quotes Former German chancellor Willy Brandt who said decades ago: "If I am selling to you, I speak your language. If I am buying, dann müssen Sie Deutsch sprechen" (or "Wenn ich zu Ihnen verkaufe, spreche ich Ihre Sprache. Wenn ich kaufe, then you must speak German"). People are much more likely to buy if they fully understand what it is you're trying to sell to them.All successful business, like politics, is local - or should appear that way to the buyer. The right language is the first step in becoming a local hero says the same article .The importance of my earlier post goes beyond the caste reservation issue.English is NOT the language spoken and understood by majority of the population worldwide!!!!!!!The Summer Institute for Linguistics (SIL) Ethnologue Survey (1999) lists the following as the top languages by population:(number of native speakers in parentheses)Chinese (937,132,000) Spanish (332,000,000) English (322,000,000) Bengali (189,000,000) Hindi/Urdu (182,000,000) Arabic (174,950,000) Portuguese (170,000,000) Russian (170,000,000) Japanese (125,000,000) German (98,000,000) French (79,572,000) The following list is from Dr. Bernard Comrie’s article for the Encarta Encyclopedia (1998):(number of native speakers in parentheses)Mandarin Chinese (836 million) Hindi (333 million) Spanish (332 million) English (322 million) Bengali (189 million) Arabic (186 million) Russian (170 million) Portuguese (170 million) Japanese (125 million) German (98 million) French (72 million) How about being tested in these languages alongwith the Indian languages of each state ?.The IAS used to be conducted only in English.Today in the IAS examination there is no discrimination between candidates who answer in Hindi or English or other regional languages. The IIMs can learn something from how the IAS is conducted.Let our management graduates eye new markets which are big and getting bigger including local ones.Like I pointed out we have some serious competition from the no-nonsense Americans .They understand that one does not stay number one by being complacent .If knowledge of International language is the reason why CAT is held in English then there are other International languages which also have a claim to be in the question paper. See how knowing Chinese or Japanese or Italian or French or German would be to an Indian business man. Just look at the size of the world trade of the countries I have just named . And also see the growing importance of Asian countries .Lets raise the standard of the Entrance exam . Let do away with the English paper and bring in a multilingual language paper. Lets introduce other important foreign languages in the CAT examination . To gain a competitive edge it will introduce the genial joys of learning a foreign language to the members of the anglicized cosmopolitan community. Lets say the first ten most widely spoken language in the world be included as options in the entrance examination .Quite a few Indian languages will figure in the examination questions on the basis if the sheer number size of their speakers . ( Bengali follows Hindi in sheer numbers, its spoken in Bangladesh as well Bengal ) But lets consider all India state based languages equally . It will drastically cut down but not eliminate the importance of English . A person who knows more than one language will get rewarded. If the answers are standardized then correction could also be easier . It may also inspire our professors to learn newer international languages so that the immense research material in say Japanese management or French management becomes available to our budding management wizards . When our professors struggle with the Chinese script it will help them empathize with the struggle of a student who is struggling with English . Lets further raise the standards of the entrance examination !!!Along with Maths lets also have a paper on Humanities . After all 90% of a managers success depends on handling people. So instead of promoting anglicized number crunching geeks who are blind to local and global social realities lets promote a more socially aware manager . Most corporates nowadays have larger social aims in their mission statements . They will love students who are conscious of social realities within and without the country .Let there be a compulsory section on “Community”, “social capital”. You can’t understand concepts of “Caste”, “social justice” without studying these terms . It will bring down the ridiculous percentiles because the standards of the entrance would have gone up . .What I have suggested is complicated and I am sure can be improved upon . But where there is a will for merit and fair play there will be a way for merit and fair play .What has been done in IAS examinations can be done in IIM.The IAS used to be conducted only in English.Today in the IAS examination there is no discrimination between candidates who answer in Hindi or English or other regional languages. Both can coexists . Innovation should not be just a management buzz word !!
Anonymous said......
Man is a social animal . And he forms communities to work with , marry ,socialise .In the pre-agricultural economy of forest ,communities are tribes .In agricultural economies of village, communities are the traditional castes (like you see in India) . Perfect conditions in agricuture through history made castes a widely practiced phenomenon in the subcontinent . Even religious conversion has failed to remove the caste system .Caste clearly follows a different dynamic which has nothing to do with religion . In industrial economies of city based, communities are a new “cosmopolitan caste”. These three kinds of economies 1) tribal ,2) village(traditional caste) and 3)city (cosmopolitan caste) have fashioned the modern nation as it exists today .Most modern nations are have come into existence during the Industrial revolution . Modern nations all over the world have had to grapple with the problem of how to assimilate those left behind in the forests and villages in pre-agricultural or agricultural economies . In India due to poor economy growth the problems are vastly more acute . We cannot wish away the existence of these pre-agricultural tribes or agricutural castes and exclude them from our industrial cosmopolitan caste.Forest covers are disappearing. The very habitat of the tribal in endangered .And its tough to compete with the developed countries Industrial technology based agriculture with India’s traditional pre-industrial agriculture . Take for example today 57 of the Indian population is engaged in non- machine aided agrarian activities, this translates into an Indian food worker producing enough food for himself and a surplus for another Indian.We are still importing food from time to time. Contrast this to US, where less than two percent of American population is engaged in machine aided agriculture or related activities. An American farmer produces enough food for 50 people including himself, with even more left over for export. Therefore the American farmer is very productive and very rich by comparison. Agriculture needs water. Water table is receding in India. Today 70 per cent of irrigation needs and 80 per cent of domestic water supplies in India are met through pumping up groundwater through tube wells. But this massively deployed private response to public failure can only be temporary. Water tables are plummeting and aquifers are running dry. Estimates show that 15 per cent of aquifers are already critical and the number is projected to rise to 60 per cent in just twenty years .For more read http://www.rediff.com/news/1998/apr/28water.htm With each passing generation inherits ,the share of the agricultural land of each subsequent generation becomes less and less . When each person has a very small plot of land you cannot have advantages of scale .Traditional means of incomes are drying up in forests and villages .Farmers have been commiting suicide . Naxalites philosophies are attracting a greater following in some jungles. Situation is grim . There remains a large part of population simply unequipped with skill set required to compete in the industrial/service world . We have a tragedy of enormous proportions staring in our face . Castes are a form of social stratification from the agriculture economy era . Some castes have been able to make the shift to industrial economy to become a member of the new cosmopolitan caste to a greater extent than others .Castes in India are endogamous . Majority of indians still marry within their castes .The sense of traditional caste is weak for the new cosmopolitan castes in urban Indians as they work in industries in these cities .In their case a more cosmopolitan anglacised sense of community has replaced the pre-industrial traditional caste system. This is simply the industrial version of the traditional caste system .Members of this new cosmopolitan caste also practice endogamy . They marry their own kind . And prefer to work ,live and socialise with their own kind . It is an unacknowledged caste in the sense they see themselves above the caste system . “Caste no bar” if you belong to this cosmopolitan caste . Looking through the matrimonial advertisements in news papers or surf through matrimonial sites on the web . You will see right away that those who consider themselves diehard cosmopolitan is miniscule .Most people still retain that weak link to the traditional caste system when it comes to important decisions like marriage . What needs to be kept in mind that people prefer to work with their own castes . For example for his medical needs someone from the cosmopolitan caste is not likely to see a general practioner who has poor english skills. In the same way someone who is a say from a tribal village is unlikely to be comfortable with a general practioner who is a english speaking westernised dandy. Where possible people go to physicians who they consider as one of their own, some one who speak their language and understand their lifestyle .You see this same division in private sector as well. If you are corporate entity and your company has predominantly members from the Cosmopolitan caste you are likely to reject someone who does not seem to reflect your cosmopolitan culture,especially for the important high profile,high visibilty appointments . Companies call this “cultural fit”.Will Azimbhai Premji announce that the next owner of Wipro will not be his son? Will he make that decision on merit ? Why did Ratan Tata succeed Bharat Ratna JRD Tata ? Was he the most accomplished person in the Tata empire ? So you see the cosmopolitan caste reserves the topmost creamy posts to one of their own in a very similar way like the traditional caste system .These posts are very much “Reserved” . If the english speaking members of the cosmopolitan caste fails entrance exams , group discussion, interviews all of which are often conducted in English , then there are always management quotas ,governing body quotas ,NRI quotas ,paid seats within India or paid seats abroad all of which can be accessed with money or influence .Owners or management recruiters from each caste almost always recruit people from their own castes .Some one of their own kind . If you do not have enough members of your own caste as recruiters whether it is government or private jobs the entry points into the industrial economy drastically come down. Each caste has its ‘Creamy’ layer .Some castes have very thick layers of cream . Some castes have a thinner layer compared to their size. Thick or thin…. this creamy layer is its entry point into the industrial world . This problem is by no means peculiar to India .What is different is the sheer magnitude of the problem .Governments all over the world use “affirmative action” to remedy this serious problem.Reservations and quotas are a form of Affirmative action. What is affirmative action ? Affirmative action is a policy or a program aimed at increasing the representation of members of groups that have traditionally been discriminated against. This typically focuses on education,employment, government contracts ,health care or social welfare.Just look at how it is practiced in the following countries :American President Lyndon Johnson said "You do not take a person who, for years, has been hobbled by chains and liberate him, bring him up to the starting line in a race and then say, 'you are free to compete with all the others', and still justly believe that you have been completely fair."In USA : American President Lyndon Johnson brought in affirmative action by an “excecutive order” . The order aims "to correct the effects of past and present discrimination". The order specifically requires certain organizations accepting federal funds to take affirmative action to increase employment of members of preferred racial or ethnic groups and women. Any organization with fifty or more employees and an aggregate revenue exceeding $50,000 from a single federal contract during a twelve month period must have a written affirmative action plan. This plan must include goals and timetables for achieving full utilization of women and members of racial minorities, in quotas based on an analysis of the current workforce compared to the availability in the general labor pool of women and members of racial minorities.Regarding Native Americans there are today more than 563 federally recognized tribal governments in the United States. The United States recognizes the right of these tribes to self-government and supports their tribal sovereignty and self-determination. These tribes possess the right to form their own government, to enforce laws (both civil and criminal), to tax, to establish membership, to license and regulate activities, to zone and to exclude persons from tribal territories. The recognition confers benefits, including the right to label arts and crafts as Native American and they can apply for grants that are specifically reserved for Native Americans.In Japan : there is an informal policy to provide employment and long term welfare (which is usually not available to general public) to Burakumin (untouchables). In Brazil :Brazilian Universities (State or Federal) have created systems of preferred admissions (quotas) for racial minorities (blacks and native Brazilians), the poor and the handicapped. There are also quotas for the disabled in the civil public services.In Malaysia :there are laws called bumiputra laws which are a form of affirmative action meant to provide more opportunity for the majority ethnic Malay population versus the historical financial dominance of the Malaysian Chinese and Malaysian Indian populations.In New Zealand :individuals of Maori or other Polynesian descent are often afforded preferential access to university courses, and scholarships.In South Africa : there is a the Employment Equity Act aims to promote and achieve equity in the workplace, by encouraging equal opportunity amongst all workers. It includes efforts to identify reasons for inequalities and change the employment rates of previously underrepresented groups for a more equitable job market.In UK: according to the Good Friday Agreement the law requires that the Police Service of Northern Ireland recruit equal numbers of Catholics and non Catholics.In Indonesia: affirmative action programs give natives preference over Han Chinese who have immigrated into the country.In Macedonia :minorities, most notably Albanians, are allocated quotas for access to state universities, as well as in civil public services.In China : there is a quota for minority representatives in the National Assembly in Beijing, as well as other realms of government.In the European Union: there is an antiracism directive which concerns the application of the principle of equality without regard to race or ethnic origin. This anti-racism directive, is to be implemented in national law of the member states.In Germany :there are programs stating that if men and women had equal qualifications, women had to be preferred for a job. The anti-discrimination law which is yet to pass, aims at improving the protection of minorities.Belgium government :proposed in January 2006 a measure that will make some job opportunities available exclusively to immigrants, disabled and elderly people.Much of the developed world does believe that social justice can be done by reservation/quotas for those that are discriminated against. Dalit issues of India have already been linked with human rights issue in International forum like the UN . To repeat what past American President Lyndon Johnson said "You do not take a person who, for years, has been hobbled by chains and liberate him, bring him up to the starting line in a race and then say, 'you are free to compete with all the others', and still justly believe that you have been completely fair."
lucifer said...
India is the only country in the world that is herding out its talent, merit and excellence out of it's own country by using rods and sticks and stones(read reservations) and simultaneously blaming them for being unpatriotic and unthankful.............!!!MBBS students toil endlessly to get admission to PG courses. But govt. is more than willing to give admissions to those who may know nothing but will give them votes. So meritorious student has no other option to go abroad , where colleges and govt. are more than willing to appretiate and reward their hardwork and talent. Then what does the govt.do.........!!!!Instead of mending its ways, it increases reservations and blames poor students who have no alternative choice, of being responsible for brain drain......!!!!! Our politicians are forcing brain drain upon us and blaming us for it as well. We are not greedy or selfish to go abroad but rather our politicians are most greedy for power, votes and money.
trivialinc said...
Will Rajiv Goswami's sacrifice go to waste? Please go to his house and see his little children, his 5 year old son, doesn't even know why he does not see his father for the last one year.
Smrti said...
Totally agree with policy on reservations.smrti.net
amalh said...
The reason for this reservation mess as well as other evils in our society is because professionals and honest educated people have not come forward to participate in the political process. Many Criminals, uneducated and corrupt persons have taken the place instead. They use educated or Nehru family persons on the top as a front only.If professionals want to make a real difference they should immediately form a new party open only to, professionals (doctors, engineers, chartered accountants, lawyers, Ph. D. holding academics, professional students from leading colleges like IIT, IIM, I. Sc., Industrialists and NRI’s only). A few politicians who have openly opposed reservations like Kapil Sibal and Navjot Siddhu should be invited to guide in the political process. The agenda of the new party should be1. Make all casteism illegal and abolish all proposed and existing reservations2. Genuinely help backward communities by improving there living and financial conditions, providing good education right where they live from nursery up3. Have zero tolerance for corruption4. But all issues on back burner until basics like electricity, water, and timely justice in courts is establishedThe new party should then field candidates in all elections, by-elections at all levels in the country and shun games like seat adjustments. They will win surely because Indians are fed up with the mess.
arsaboo said...
i read the article in todays TOI - Mumbai edition regarding inhouse reservation. i completely agree with you. infact i myself have been the victim of this kind of reservation policy. i had given entrance test for MD/MS 2006 in Banaras Hindu University - Varanasi. out of roughly 5000 students i secured 7th. rank, which seems to be wonderful. but to my dismay, when i saw the distribution of seats available i lost all hopes. there were just 9 seats in open merit [out of which onlu 5 were clinical, rest were non clinical] & 4 in reserved category i.e. SC/ST. when i went to Varanasi, then i came to the reason behind this skewed distribution of seats. REASON - IN - HOUSE RESERVATIONS. out of roughly 120 seats around 40 were reserved for in house UG students, meaning out of 60, 40 in house UG students are bound to get a seat [whatever there score may be!!!!!!!] after studying so hard, & securing such good marks, still i'm unable to secure a seat of my choice. that is really very disheartening.
Anonymous said...
We the so called educated people have never even thought as to why reservations came into existence. We are ok with the caste system, wherein people are discriminated against in the name of religion. But the moment we are asked to give a solution for removing this discrimation, everybody goes on giving reservations based on economic criteria.The reservations came into being because the Indain society needed to have equality to remove backwardness. Is backwardness due to economic reasons only? Or is it a socio economic issue ? How does a person born in the same society become a second rate citizen ? Based on his caste for which he has no control. What did a Gandhi or a Nehru do to abolish the caste system ? How many of the reservations have been actually been effective ?Pt.Nehru wanted this country to become a first class country. it is the only country which has a caste system embedded in its religion, to discriminate against people. Are all people from the so called 'open' quota very efficient and those from the lower castes inefficient.This is no crisis. It has been made up to be seen as one. Are the upper castes afraid that the lower castes would become their equal ? These very people who have a problem with reservations, can tolerate the'reserved for management' quota. Why because they address only the influential and are less in percentage?Most of the people on the roads at the moment dont even have an inkling as to why reservations should be there. Let us not compare ourselves with the Americans. How many of us want the caste system to go ? Do you think that the caste system being in existence and the backwardness have no connection whatsoever ?Think about this buddy .Most of us would be happy with the existing caste system, because just because we are a certain caste gives us an advantage.
Anonymous said...
The caste system in India, particularly, is an extreme form of discrimination most affecting the Dalits, who comprise one-sixth of India's population, or 160 million people. Human Rights Watch, through research on these human rights violations and the exploitation and segregation of the Dalits over 6 states in India, concluded that Dalits are subject to the most extreme forms of discrimination and abuse.The lack of economic opportunities extends to allocation of land, likewise. In India, despite decades of land reform legislation, most Dalits do not have access to land that can lead them to economic security.There is a stark distinction between upper and lower-castes in access to education, and in some communities, lower-caste peoples have less or no access to higher learning at allAfter independence from Britain in 1947, India launched an affirmative action plan to wipe out caste distinctions, setting aside places for Dalits in universities, government employment and legislative assembly seats. But these moves only benefit about 3 percent of the nearly 240 million Dalits.
Anonymous said…
Future Shock for India Wisdomless PoliticiansMeritless Admissions Meaningless Curriculums Substance less Examinations Faculty less Departments Student less Colleges VC less UniversitiesKnowledgeless Society Developmentless Nation Into that hell of gloomdom My Father Let my country go to Sleep Let my country go to Sleep..... Poem by BR Natarajan of BITS Pilani
Memoryking said…
Read your blog.Liked it a lot.Here is mine http://www.emotionalzombie.blogspot.com/"You say, if a student knows a seat is reserved for him he is not going to work towards it. Ask yourself- If a person knows Education is subsidized for his kids, food items are subsidized for him, is he going to work? Isn’t it harming the Economy? Isn’t the highly subsidized education we avail a classic example of social injustice?
Dr. Karan Thakur said...
I totally disaggree with the policy on reservations, more on my blog onepointoh
savy said...
totally disagree...we create more bias when globalisation is working towards a symmetry of sorts. i thought we had crossed that bridge but sadly....being pushed back again.
tECHJ said...
they are playing pure vote bank politics... people who cannot learn or dont have the brains to learn...will be taught...and with the money we pay as taxes...
librangirl said...
Not at all.... n' worst still to come- they wud be implementin' in all the universities. Reservation is nothin' but crap & bull shit.... cheers
AngelzFear said...
Arjun Singh can do no better. For the sake of votebank politics, he can go to any extent.
skj said...
Hi guys: I too disagree with the Govt's plan for reservations.... but isn't it a truth that we can avoid this issue and we have to find a solution which should be fair and acceptable for all. And the best solution is that - Reservations in Jobs and Education or anywhere should not be allowed. But the education should be free of cost for SC/ST/OBC community. cheers..skj
anjali said....
i hv a suggestion........y dont govt. open sm of d institutes only for them...........and lets c hw dey cope up in the job market.........no reservation
IKWP said...
Implementation of additional reservation is disgusting... it will degrade our premier institutes. On one hand our premier institutes are going global and on the other hand we are hell bent to ruin their standards and in turn ruin the country.
Vrij said...
Very soon, a person earning 90lakhs will be looking down on another earning 88L because the latter wud gave gotten in thru 'reservations'. Bloody diarrhoeal shit... to blast with these reservations
Me said...
hi, we as the ppl of india r born with reservations. reservations of every kind.its nothing but political gimmick tht thing reservation. initially it was for 10 years when india got its independence, but the politician of our country the wise ppl they smoothly carried over tht to another 10 years religiously.it ll be a better idea to give education to the underpriveledged ppl then to force reservations on them becuase ulitimately the benefit goes to the priviledged reserved ppls. hope u dont mind just an observation
Sumit said...
From Bad to worse... another poll gimmick...
Gul said...
hum bilkul bhi sahmat nahi hai . IIM and IIT jaise hamare Desh ke sirmour sanshathane bhi estarah ka reservation.Bilkul bhi nsahi nahi hai. Yesi policy banati hi kyu hai Govt??? Gul.
zady said...
India is simply digging its own grave with this policy, if merit is not the criteria then we had forget the dream of being a self sufficent and superpower. This law will have a similar impact as Atom Bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WW2.....boom goes our world...never to be same again
kk said...
No....this is rubbish. no reservations.
soma said...
I totally disagree with the new reservation policy... if we want to uplift thew backward classes ( that I believe was the major purpose of reservation) then let them prove their merit, after tht the govt can fund their education in the best institutes across the country. Admission to a top rung institute or a professional degree should be on the basis of merit and merit alone.
Sohrav gupta said...
so one thing, take amar singh to me i will try to convince him to take his words back. as its indian youngsters life and they are damm serious this time.
Ankit Mathur said...
Can you imagine this happening in INDIA? Government of India has a online Grievance forum at http://darpg-grievance.nic.in/ The government wants people to use this tool to highlight the problems they faced while dealing with Government officials or departments like Passport Office, Electricity board, BSNL/MTNL, Railways etc etc. I know many people will say that these things dont work in India, but this actually works as one of our colleague in CSC found. The guy i'm talking about lives in Faridabad. Couple of months back, the Faridabad Municipal corporation laid new roads in his area and the residents were very happy about it. But 2 weeks later, BSNL dugged up the newly laid roads to install new cables which annoyed all the residents including this guy. But it was only this guy who used the above listed grievance forum to highlight his concern. And to his surprise, BSNL and Municipal corporation of faridabad was served a showcause notice and the guy recieved a copy of the notice in one week. Government has asked the MC and BSNL about the goof up as its clear that both the governent departments were not in sync at all. So use this grievance forum and educate others who dont know about this facility. This way we can atleast raise our concerns instead of just talking about the 'System' in India. Well I'd say if it really works perhaps its the time to start using it as a mechanism to appeal against the YET AGAIN QUOTA SYSTEM in educational instituitions. Its for the betterment of people of india that we stand united against this move or, else at some stage perhaps sooner than later we'll find ourselves grappling with these insane laws. Looking forward to some co-operation.
Priya said...
Hi Shrawan disagree with reservations, its like handing it them on a platter without any hardwork. take care :)
Rohit bhardwaj said...
What are you resenting these politicians will do the following 1. Wait till assembly elections 2. If congress wins , it will be imposed in all education institutons including the primary aide and non aided schools 3. Then they will become bold and impose it in private sector jobs through an ordinance 4. announce mid term elections 5. If congress wins it will convert it into a bill and pass the law 6. If congress losses the other junta will do it in any case it will make the next govt very stable and INDIA A DIVIDED COUNTRY
smilegirl said...
reservations are total injustice..what about the students who slog n work hard ..where as the others just get in like that.. the standards of various institutes n univ's will fall n so will the country's..rather the govt shud have a better alternative like..providin free n better education to the underprivleged... if they have the apptitude they will come up..other than providin them addmissions on a platter...its simply unfair n total injustice...its just a political move to gain more votes...
Me said...
I can't beleive that politicians can't think beyond securing the next 5 years to earn gr8 bucks,unfortunately they don't give a dman to the country.if imposed a very sad decision indeed.Have a post 'Reserved' on my blog.wud love to hear frm u guys there.
Changing_Hues said...
Its a mockery of Democracy - We donot need laws to cripple our economy with unskilled "reserved" unprofessionals. Sadly, PM, who I thought was sensible, has proven that he is nothing but a political pawn. more on http://o3.indiatimes.com/thinkingwomen/
camelpost said...
I challenge the concerned jokers to go ahead with 50% Reservation for not only students but also for teaching staff. Its better that Government builds one more IIT and IIM and call them RIIT and RIIM (R stands for you know what) and let others live in peace and maintain their standards. RIIT and RIIM may be put under AICTE for added glory. It will be wiser for the government to offer the best of education from primary education and make them face the world rather than give them feel of artificial security by reservation.
camelpost said...
Naam Arjun Raknewala sab Yudh nahi jeeet sakteinaur IIT IIM koi Kurushetra bi nahi heinNa is Arjun ke paas koi Krishn bhi haiParitranaya sadhunam vinasaya SathuskrathamDharma samsdha banarthaya sambavami yuge yugeTora Tora Tora
Anonymous said…
reservation in iits n iims is sure to demean d standars of such premier institutes . it is nothing bt a step to enhance one's vote bank coz d ones for whom reservation is meant wud never be benefitted as dey r nt even aware of it. 1600 seats out of iits n 246 of iims quite a large figure to count on , d meritorious r cheated dis way .
camelpost said...
AICTE Punched by Court OrdersThe Madras High Court, in an interim direction relating to the regulatory jurisdiction of the AICTE and the UGC over deemed universities, has instructed the former to issue a public notice advising students to attend classes. Reserving its final order, a bench comprising Chief Justice A P Shah and Justice Prabha Sridevan said the AICTE in its advertisement should mention that students must return to their colleges, since failure to attend classes would result in their losing an academic year. It must be published in English and Indian language newspapers, the judges said. The bench indicated that orders would be pronounced in the third week of May and observed that all deemed universities must take prior permission from the UGC before starting new courses. The AICTE could be part of the inspection team mandated to visit deemed universities, the judges added.
Anonymous said...
What "merit" are we talking of anyway ? Scores in entrance exams at age of 17?Take the claim of "merit based" entrance to all IIMs and dozens of other institutes. The CAT exam is based on the SAT exam in the USA . It has been proved beyond doubt that the SAT test is culturally biased . Blacks and hispanics do poorly at it year after year .If a student who is eligible for admission to IIM on the basis of his CAT score, were to take the same CAT exam in which he/she cleared in a language that he/she did not understand then he/she would be at a disadvantage compared to someone who was schooled in that language . Not knowing that language does not mean you lack the capacity to clear that exam. Approximately 25 % of CAT test is about English! Another 25 % is about English Comprehension!!!! There you are !!!! About 50 % so called aptitude test is a hoax for someone who is from a non-english speaking background .This is how the CAT like the SAT is discriminatory . See the full form of SAT …Scholastic Aptitude Test . The problem is aptitude testing is not so simple . There is no test on earth which can reliably tests aptitude .Aptitude tests such as the SAT have a historical tie to the concept of innate mental abilities and the belief that such abilities can be defined and meaningfully measured. Neither notion has been supported by modern research. Few scientists who have considered these matters seriously would argue that aptitude tests such as the SAT provide a true measure of intellectual abilities. It was found that people could be coached to better their scores at SAT . The name SAT …Scholastic Aptitude Test could not be correct . So under such valid criticism the name was changed to Scholastic Assessment Test, since a test that can be coached clearly did not measure inherent "scholastic aptitude", but was influenced largely by what the test subject had learned in school. Even the College Board which conducts the SAT has beaten a hasty retreat.This was a major theoretical retreat by the College Board conducting SAT, which had previously maintained that the test measured inherent aptitude and was free of bias. About ten years back , however, even the redundancy of the term assessment test was recognized and the name was changed to the neutral, and non-descriptive, SAT. At the time, the College Board announced, "Please note that SAT is not an initialism. It does not stand for anything."The framers of these SAT tests assumed that intelligence was a unitary inherited attribute, that it was not subject to change over a lifetime, and that it could be measured and individuals could be ranked and assigned their place in society accordingly. The SAT evolved from these questionable assumptions about human talent and potential. More and more people are questioning the validity of SAT . In the past MENSA used to accept high SAT score individuals . For the past decade it has stopped accepting SAT scores .The whole exercise of deciding merit based on CAT scores discriminates against those from lower socio-economic status.Though many non-IIM institutes have started accepting CAT scores, the application fee of these institutes is still inexplicably high. The CAT is primarily an exam of Math and English. Logical and Analytical Reasoning is nearly absent (except for some verbal reasoning which again depends on knowing English well!!!!). CAT is a clever way to keep those from lower socio-economic strata away Institutes funded with tax payers money .So claims of “Merit” based on CAT scores is hollow and discriminatory against those of lower socio-economic strata.Dhirubhai Ambani had a poor command over English . He would not have made it through CAT. So what "merit" are we talking of?
Anonymous said...
Bit more to add than my earlier post .My main point was that inherent aptitude/talent (INBORN MERIT) can’t be tested. What gets tested in a test like the CAT or SAT or any test is the person’s learning (ACQUIRED MERIT). I am not saying this learning(ACQUIRED MERIT) is a bad thing and those who possess it needs to penalized by denying them an opportunity for furthering their education .I am saying lets stop pretending that we are measuring inherit aptitude/talent(INBORN MERIT) in these entrance examinations . Once we accept that what we are measuring in CAT or the other entrance exams is something that has been learnt with effort often since childhood we also see that others who have not had the good fortune of such a childhood could also learn those very things if only with harder work in teens or adulthood . And a person who has learnt skills late in his life can be as competent as anyone. So some one with a poor score in an Entrance exam can acquire sufficient merit like any one else. Rashmi Bansal of IIM Ahmedabad ,popular blogger , editor of an English youth magazine says in this article http://in.rediff.com/getahead/2006/may/02rashmi.htm“All students must learn English because it is a vital skill in the New Economy” But even the Americans don’t think its going to enough in the “new economy” .American President Bush thinks that learning Hindi and a few other foreign languages is a "critical need" for the US's national security and prosperity. http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1591447,00050001.htmOr http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1362386.cms In this article http://www.cmomagazine.com/analyst/031805_csa.html That article quotes Former German chancellor Willy Brandt who said decades ago: "If I am selling to you, I speak your language. If I am buying, dann müssen Sie Deutsch sprechen" (or "Wenn ich zu Ihnen verkaufe, spreche ich Ihre Sprache. Wenn ich kaufe, then you must speak German"). People are much more likely to buy if they fully understand what it is you're trying to sell to them.All successful business, like politics, is local - or should appear that way to the buyer. The right language is the first step in becoming a local hero says the same article .The importance of my earlier post goes beyond the caste reservation issue.English is NOT the language spoken and understood by majority of the population worldwide!!!!!!!The Summer Institute for Linguistics (SIL) Ethnologue Survey (1999) lists the following as the top languages by population:(number of native speakers in parentheses)Chinese (937,132,000) Spanish (332,000,000) English (322,000,000) Bengali (189,000,000) Hindi/Urdu (182,000,000) Arabic (174,950,000) Portuguese (170,000,000) Russian (170,000,000) Japanese (125,000,000) German (98,000,000) French (79,572,000) The following list is from Dr. Bernard Comrie’s article for the Encarta Encyclopedia (1998):(number of native speakers in parentheses)Mandarin Chinese (836 million) Hindi (333 million) Spanish (332 million) English (322 million) Bengali (189 million) Arabic (186 million) Russian (170 million) Portuguese (170 million) Japanese (125 million) German (98 million) French (72 million) How about being tested in these languages alongwith the Indian languages of each state ?.The IAS used to be conducted only in English.Today in the IAS examination there is no discrimination between candidates who answer in Hindi or English or other regional languages. The IIMs can learn something from how the IAS is conducted.Let our management graduates eye new markets which are big and getting bigger including local ones.Like I pointed out we have some serious competition from the no-nonsense Americans .They understand that one does not stay number one by being complacent .If knowledge of International language is the reason why CAT is held in English then there are other International languages which also have a claim to be in the question paper. See how knowing Chinese or Japanese or Italian or French or German would be to an Indian business man. Just look at the size of the world trade of the countries I have just named . And also see the growing importance of Asian countries .Lets raise the standard of the Entrance exam . Let do away with the English paper and bring in a multilingual language paper. Lets introduce other important foreign languages in the CAT examination . To gain a competitive edge it will introduce the genial joys of learning a foreign language to the members of the anglicized cosmopolitan community. Lets say the first ten most widely spoken language in the world be included as options in the entrance examination .Quite a few Indian languages will figure in the examination questions on the basis if the sheer number size of their speakers . ( Bengali follows Hindi in sheer numbers, its spoken in Bangladesh as well Bengal ) But lets consider all India state based languages equally . It will drastically cut down but not eliminate the importance of English . A person who knows more than one language will get rewarded. If the answers are standardized then correction could also be easier . It may also inspire our professors to learn newer international languages so that the immense research material in say Japanese management or French management becomes available to our budding management wizards . When our professors struggle with the Chinese script it will help them empathize with the struggle of a student who is struggling with English . Lets further raise the standards of the entrance examination !!!Along with Maths lets also have a paper on Humanities . After all 90% of a managers success depends on handling people. So instead of promoting anglicized number crunching geeks who are blind to local and global social realities lets promote a more socially aware manager . Most corporates nowadays have larger social aims in their mission statements . They will love students who are conscious of social realities within and without the country .Let there be a compulsory section on “Community”, “social capital”. You can’t understand concepts of “Caste”, “social justice” without studying these terms . It will bring down the ridiculous percentiles because the standards of the entrance would have gone up . .What I have suggested is complicated and I am sure can be improved upon . But where there is a will for merit and fair play there will be a way for merit and fair play .What has been done in IAS examinations can be done in IIM.The IAS used to be conducted only in English.Today in the IAS examination there is no discrimination between candidates who answer in Hindi or English or other regional languages. Both can coexists . Innovation should not be just a management buzz word !!
Anonymous said......
Man is a social animal . And he forms communities to work with , marry ,socialise .In the pre-agricultural economy of forest ,communities are tribes .In agricultural economies of village, communities are the traditional castes (like you see in India) . Perfect conditions in agricuture through history made castes a widely practiced phenomenon in the subcontinent . Even religious conversion has failed to remove the caste system .Caste clearly follows a different dynamic which has nothing to do with religion . In industrial economies of city based, communities are a new “cosmopolitan caste”. These three kinds of economies 1) tribal ,2) village(traditional caste) and 3)city (cosmopolitan caste) have fashioned the modern nation as it exists today .Most modern nations are have come into existence during the Industrial revolution . Modern nations all over the world have had to grapple with the problem of how to assimilate those left behind in the forests and villages in pre-agricultural or agricultural economies . In India due to poor economy growth the problems are vastly more acute . We cannot wish away the existence of these pre-agricultural tribes or agricutural castes and exclude them from our industrial cosmopolitan caste.Forest covers are disappearing. The very habitat of the tribal in endangered .And its tough to compete with the developed countries Industrial technology based agriculture with India’s traditional pre-industrial agriculture . Take for example today 57 of the Indian population is engaged in non- machine aided agrarian activities, this translates into an Indian food worker producing enough food for himself and a surplus for another Indian.We are still importing food from time to time. Contrast this to US, where less than two percent of American population is engaged in machine aided agriculture or related activities. An American farmer produces enough food for 50 people including himself, with even more left over for export. Therefore the American farmer is very productive and very rich by comparison. Agriculture needs water. Water table is receding in India. Today 70 per cent of irrigation needs and 80 per cent of domestic water supplies in India are met through pumping up groundwater through tube wells. But this massively deployed private response to public failure can only be temporary. Water tables are plummeting and aquifers are running dry. Estimates show that 15 per cent of aquifers are already critical and the number is projected to rise to 60 per cent in just twenty years .For more read http://www.rediff.com/news/1998/apr/28water.htm With each passing generation inherits ,the share of the agricultural land of each subsequent generation becomes less and less . When each person has a very small plot of land you cannot have advantages of scale .Traditional means of incomes are drying up in forests and villages .Farmers have been commiting suicide . Naxalites philosophies are attracting a greater following in some jungles. Situation is grim . There remains a large part of population simply unequipped with skill set required to compete in the industrial/service world . We have a tragedy of enormous proportions staring in our face . Castes are a form of social stratification from the agriculture economy era . Some castes have been able to make the shift to industrial economy to become a member of the new cosmopolitan caste to a greater extent than others .Castes in India are endogamous . Majority of indians still marry within their castes .The sense of traditional caste is weak for the new cosmopolitan castes in urban Indians as they work in industries in these cities .In their case a more cosmopolitan anglacised sense of community has replaced the pre-industrial traditional caste system. This is simply the industrial version of the traditional caste system .Members of this new cosmopolitan caste also practice endogamy . They marry their own kind . And prefer to work ,live and socialise with their own kind . It is an unacknowledged caste in the sense they see themselves above the caste system . “Caste no bar” if you belong to this cosmopolitan caste . Looking through the matrimonial advertisements in news papers or surf through matrimonial sites on the web . You will see right away that those who consider themselves diehard cosmopolitan is miniscule .Most people still retain that weak link to the traditional caste system when it comes to important decisions like marriage . What needs to be kept in mind that people prefer to work with their own castes . For example for his medical needs someone from the cosmopolitan caste is not likely to see a general practioner who has poor english skills. In the same way someone who is a say from a tribal village is unlikely to be comfortable with a general practioner who is a english speaking westernised dandy. Where possible people go to physicians who they consider as one of their own, some one who speak their language and understand their lifestyle .You see this same division in private sector as well. If you are corporate entity and your company has predominantly members from the Cosmopolitan caste you are likely to reject someone who does not seem to reflect your cosmopolitan culture,especially for the important high profile,high visibilty appointments . Companies call this “cultural fit”.Will Azimbhai Premji announce that the next owner of Wipro will not be his son? Will he make that decision on merit ? Why did Ratan Tata succeed Bharat Ratna JRD Tata ? Was he the most accomplished person in the Tata empire ? So you see the cosmopolitan caste reserves the topmost creamy posts to one of their own in a very similar way like the traditional caste system .These posts are very much “Reserved” . If the english speaking members of the cosmopolitan caste fails entrance exams , group discussion, interviews all of which are often conducted in English , then there are always management quotas ,governing body quotas ,NRI quotas ,paid seats within India or paid seats abroad all of which can be accessed with money or influence .Owners or management recruiters from each caste almost always recruit people from their own castes .Some one of their own kind . If you do not have enough members of your own caste as recruiters whether it is government or private jobs the entry points into the industrial economy drastically come down. Each caste has its ‘Creamy’ layer .Some castes have very thick layers of cream . Some castes have a thinner layer compared to their size. Thick or thin…. this creamy layer is its entry point into the industrial world . This problem is by no means peculiar to India .What is different is the sheer magnitude of the problem .Governments all over the world use “affirmative action” to remedy this serious problem.Reservations and quotas are a form of Affirmative action. What is affirmative action ? Affirmative action is a policy or a program aimed at increasing the representation of members of groups that have traditionally been discriminated against. This typically focuses on education,employment, government contracts ,health care or social welfare.Just look at how it is practiced in the following countries :American President Lyndon Johnson said "You do not take a person who, for years, has been hobbled by chains and liberate him, bring him up to the starting line in a race and then say, 'you are free to compete with all the others', and still justly believe that you have been completely fair."In USA : American President Lyndon Johnson brought in affirmative action by an “excecutive order” . The order aims "to correct the effects of past and present discrimination". The order specifically requires certain organizations accepting federal funds to take affirmative action to increase employment of members of preferred racial or ethnic groups and women. Any organization with fifty or more employees and an aggregate revenue exceeding $50,000 from a single federal contract during a twelve month period must have a written affirmative action plan. This plan must include goals and timetables for achieving full utilization of women and members of racial minorities, in quotas based on an analysis of the current workforce compared to the availability in the general labor pool of women and members of racial minorities.Regarding Native Americans there are today more than 563 federally recognized tribal governments in the United States. The United States recognizes the right of these tribes to self-government and supports their tribal sovereignty and self-determination. These tribes possess the right to form their own government, to enforce laws (both civil and criminal), to tax, to establish membership, to license and regulate activities, to zone and to exclude persons from tribal territories. The recognition confers benefits, including the right to label arts and crafts as Native American and they can apply for grants that are specifically reserved for Native Americans.In Japan : there is an informal policy to provide employment and long term welfare (which is usually not available to general public) to Burakumin (untouchables). In Brazil :Brazilian Universities (State or Federal) have created systems of preferred admissions (quotas) for racial minorities (blacks and native Brazilians), the poor and the handicapped. There are also quotas for the disabled in the civil public services.In Malaysia :there are laws called bumiputra laws which are a form of affirmative action meant to provide more opportunity for the majority ethnic Malay population versus the historical financial dominance of the Malaysian Chinese and Malaysian Indian populations.In New Zealand :individuals of Maori or other Polynesian descent are often afforded preferential access to university courses, and scholarships.In South Africa : there is a the Employment Equity Act aims to promote and achieve equity in the workplace, by encouraging equal opportunity amongst all workers. It includes efforts to identify reasons for inequalities and change the employment rates of previously underrepresented groups for a more equitable job market.In UK: according to the Good Friday Agreement the law requires that the Police Service of Northern Ireland recruit equal numbers of Catholics and non Catholics.In Indonesia: affirmative action programs give natives preference over Han Chinese who have immigrated into the country.In Macedonia :minorities, most notably Albanians, are allocated quotas for access to state universities, as well as in civil public services.In China : there is a quota for minority representatives in the National Assembly in Beijing, as well as other realms of government.In the European Union: there is an antiracism directive which concerns the application of the principle of equality without regard to race or ethnic origin. This anti-racism directive, is to be implemented in national law of the member states.In Germany :there are programs stating that if men and women had equal qualifications, women had to be preferred for a job. The anti-discrimination law which is yet to pass, aims at improving the protection of minorities.Belgium government :proposed in January 2006 a measure that will make some job opportunities available exclusively to immigrants, disabled and elderly people.Much of the developed world does believe that social justice can be done by reservation/quotas for those that are discriminated against. Dalit issues of India have already been linked with human rights issue in International forum like the UN . To repeat what past American President Lyndon Johnson said "You do not take a person who, for years, has been hobbled by chains and liberate him, bring him up to the starting line in a race and then say, 'you are free to compete with all the others', and still justly believe that you have been completely fair."
lucifer said...
India is the only country in the world that is herding out its talent, merit and excellence out of it's own country by using rods and sticks and stones(read reservations) and simultaneously blaming them for being unpatriotic and unthankful.............!!!MBBS students toil endlessly to get admission to PG courses. But govt. is more than willing to give admissions to those who may know nothing but will give them votes. So meritorious student has no other option to go abroad , where colleges and govt. are more than willing to appretiate and reward their hardwork and talent. Then what does the govt.do.........!!!!Instead of mending its ways, it increases reservations and blames poor students who have no alternative choice, of being responsible for brain drain......!!!!! Our politicians are forcing brain drain upon us and blaming us for it as well. We are not greedy or selfish to go abroad but rather our politicians are most greedy for power, votes and money.
trivialinc said...
Will Rajiv Goswami's sacrifice go to waste? Please go to his house and see his little children, his 5 year old son, doesn't even know why he does not see his father for the last one year.
Smrti said...
Totally agree with policy on reservations.smrti.net
amalh said...
The reason for this reservation mess as well as other evils in our society is because professionals and honest educated people have not come forward to participate in the political process. Many Criminals, uneducated and corrupt persons have taken the place instead. They use educated or Nehru family persons on the top as a front only.If professionals want to make a real difference they should immediately form a new party open only to, professionals (doctors, engineers, chartered accountants, lawyers, Ph. D. holding academics, professional students from leading colleges like IIT, IIM, I. Sc., Industrialists and NRI’s only). A few politicians who have openly opposed reservations like Kapil Sibal and Navjot Siddhu should be invited to guide in the political process. The agenda of the new party should be1. Make all casteism illegal and abolish all proposed and existing reservations2. Genuinely help backward communities by improving there living and financial conditions, providing good education right where they live from nursery up3. Have zero tolerance for corruption4. But all issues on back burner until basics like electricity, water, and timely justice in courts is establishedThe new party should then field candidates in all elections, by-elections at all levels in the country and shun games like seat adjustments. They will win surely because Indians are fed up with the mess.
arsaboo said...
i read the article in todays TOI - Mumbai edition regarding inhouse reservation. i completely agree with you. infact i myself have been the victim of this kind of reservation policy. i had given entrance test for MD/MS 2006 in Banaras Hindu University - Varanasi. out of roughly 5000 students i secured 7th. rank, which seems to be wonderful. but to my dismay, when i saw the distribution of seats available i lost all hopes. there were just 9 seats in open merit [out of which onlu 5 were clinical, rest were non clinical] & 4 in reserved category i.e. SC/ST. when i went to Varanasi, then i came to the reason behind this skewed distribution of seats. REASON - IN - HOUSE RESERVATIONS. out of roughly 120 seats around 40 were reserved for in house UG students, meaning out of 60, 40 in house UG students are bound to get a seat [whatever there score may be!!!!!!!] after studying so hard, & securing such good marks, still i'm unable to secure a seat of my choice. that is really very disheartening.
Anonymous said...
We the so called educated people have never even thought as to why reservations came into existence. We are ok with the caste system, wherein people are discriminated against in the name of religion. But the moment we are asked to give a solution for removing this discrimation, everybody goes on giving reservations based on economic criteria.The reservations came into being because the Indain society needed to have equality to remove backwardness. Is backwardness due to economic reasons only? Or is it a socio economic issue ? How does a person born in the same society become a second rate citizen ? Based on his caste for which he has no control. What did a Gandhi or a Nehru do to abolish the caste system ? How many of the reservations have been actually been effective ?Pt.Nehru wanted this country to become a first class country. it is the only country which has a caste system embedded in its religion, to discriminate against people. Are all people from the so called 'open' quota very efficient and those from the lower castes inefficient.This is no crisis. It has been made up to be seen as one. Are the upper castes afraid that the lower castes would become their equal ? These very people who have a problem with reservations, can tolerate the'reserved for management' quota. Why because they address only the influential and are less in percentage?Most of the people on the roads at the moment dont even have an inkling as to why reservations should be there. Let us not compare ourselves with the Americans. How many of us want the caste system to go ? Do you think that the caste system being in existence and the backwardness have no connection whatsoever ?Think about this buddy .Most of us would be happy with the existing caste system, because just because we are a certain caste gives us an advantage.
Anonymous said...
The caste system in India, particularly, is an extreme form of discrimination most affecting the Dalits, who comprise one-sixth of India's population, or 160 million people. Human Rights Watch, through research on these human rights violations and the exploitation and segregation of the Dalits over 6 states in India, concluded that Dalits are subject to the most extreme forms of discrimination and abuse.The lack of economic opportunities extends to allocation of land, likewise. In India, despite decades of land reform legislation, most Dalits do not have access to land that can lead them to economic security.There is a stark distinction between upper and lower-castes in access to education, and in some communities, lower-caste peoples have less or no access to higher learning at allAfter independence from Britain in 1947, India launched an affirmative action plan to wipe out caste distinctions, setting aside places for Dalits in universities, government employment and legislative assembly seats. But these moves only benefit about 3 percent of the nearly 240 million Dalits.
Anonymous said…
Future Shock for India Wisdomless PoliticiansMeritless Admissions Meaningless Curriculums Substance less Examinations Faculty less Departments Student less Colleges VC less UniversitiesKnowledgeless Society Developmentless Nation Into that hell of gloomdom My Father Let my country go to Sleep Let my country go to Sleep..... Poem by BR Natarajan of BITS Pilani
Memoryking said…
Read your blog.Liked it a lot.Here is mine http://www.emotionalzombie.blogspot.com/"You say, if a student knows a seat is reserved for him he is not going to work towards it. Ask yourself- If a person knows Education is subsidized for his kids, food items are subsidized for him, is he going to work? Isn’t it harming the Economy? Isn’t the highly subsidized education we avail a classic example of social injustice?
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